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Farm fish fed dead chickens a risk for H5N1 influenza in Indonesia?

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Farm fish fed dead chickens a risk for H5N1 influenza in Indonesia?

I have been involved in discussions regarding the possibility "integrated fish farming" may play a role in sustaining and even spreading H5N1 bird flu: including when poultry manure is used as fish feed (see forum here; also links below). So when I stayed by a fish farm just outside Jakarta at the beginning of this month, I took a walk around.

Surprised by what I saw - included chicken carcasses being devoured by catfish. Carcasses, and bags of poultry manure, perhaps from an adjoining chicken farm, which was in a walled compound with a guard post at the gate. Took several photos, several of which are below: warning, not too great if you're squeamish, or perhaps about to eat.
 
Re: Farm fish fed dead chickens a risk for H5N1 influenza in Indonesia?

I still have my doubts. It's clear that rural sanitation is at the heart of the problem in Indo, and that the better overall sanitation is, the less chance of exposure and infection, but it still isn't clear to me that the fish are involved in the cycle except as bystanders. Overloading a stagnant pond with organics will kill the fish. Probably, they tend to toss dead chickens into *flowing* water precisely because putting them into fish ponds kills the fish. Thus, the , umm, err, maggot solution. Niman has shown, using sequences, that there is cycling of the virus between humans, ducks, and chickens, particularly in water. This is a microcosm of how: the 'melting pot' is the farm pond. The virus will survive in the water for days. Where, do you suppose, the family gets water for cooking. Try not to think about it.

The real scandal is the lack of rural sanitation. I just don't understand how Martin considers this 'high intensity' in the way factory farms are. This is really more like the way people have lived for thousands of years, before the industrial revolution.
 
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