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Egyptian cases. 4 deaths

Re: Egypt announces third human death from bird flu

Re: Egypt announces third human death from bird flu

Gaudia - Did you hear of, or see, any local news about the current H5N1 situation there? In English?
 
Re: Egypt announces third human death from bird flu

Re: Egypt announces third human death from bird flu

Florida1 said:
Gaudia - Did you hear of, or see, any local news about the current H5N1 situation there? In English?

Yes. I spoke with the manager of the 4 star hotel I stayed at in Aswan, the Basma Hotel, capacity about 200 rooms. He said that he had held 2 meetings with senior level staff to discuss bird flu. His kitchen food prep people use masks and gloves.

I explained the risks in detail. The main point he was not aware of was the consequence of the high death rate, the drop in staffing available. He agreed that he should cross train and that he should alert his entire staff to the risk they and their families face. He is a unique manager who considers his life to be his work and his staff to be his family. So, they will learn of the risks and be asked to discuss them with their families. We're talking about uneducated people, mind you. But he will act. He understands the point I garnered in Minneapolis... support the staff so they're loyal after the event has passed.
He also knows about Adamine, the only drug available in Egypt, adamantine by a brand name. He knows cost and availability. He knows transmission issues also. He will do something and that will be more than I'm guessing any other company.

I visited a very large, 1000 employee, fabric finishing plant outside of Cairo. They know nothing and they're completely unprepared and dumbfounded over the risk. Laughter was the response to a 50% mortality rate that I suggested is well within reason. Nothing will be done there to prepare, although the business is highly efficient, operating on a low labor cost, 24 x 7.

There was nothing in the news but for Egyptian Gazette which carried very small summary blurbs on the deaths, I believe. It's not a big news item, except at one hotel.

I'm curious; so I like to wander into places and look around. I wandered into Club Med, a French controlled business, and there at the registration desk was a counter placard explaining bird flu, the same one that one sees at Charles de Gaul airport. Outside of these encounters, I saw nothing else. Nobody I spoke to knew anything. Even the pharmacies, operated by MD's, were totally ignorant about bird flu but for one who thought that amantadine will not work on this flu.
 
Re: Egypt announces third human death from bird flu

Re: Egypt announces third human death from bird flu

Comments: My husband and myself have just returned from a 14 night stay at the Tropicana Grand Oasis in Sharm El Sheikh. Although only graded as a 3 star it is easily a 4 and with a bit of a tidy up in the rooms in could be a 5. We travelled with another two couples and all six of us would have no hesitation in recommending this hotel to anyone. The staff were some of the most courteous we have met. Bar staff in particular were excellent, especially Mohammed, Mohammed Said, Ozi to name just a few. I had read on previous review to tip the odd ?1 (10 Egyptian) which we did on our first night. From then on we had to actually stop them bringing drinks, they all remembered our order and the next one was on the table before the first was completely finished. Same with the beach bar, everyone just so friendly. This goes for all the Egyptians we met inside and outside of the hotel. No problem with getting sunbeds, if they weren?t together the towel man would soon arrange them so they were, again gave these the odd ?1 here and there. Gave proper tips out at the end of the holiday to those we thought deserved, which was just about everyone. Our room attendant was equally excellent, towels changed every day and was happy to get whatever we asked for. The pool were great, the heated one was the more used and is where they do the games but although the other is not heated, the weather was so hot that we were glad to use that one and it never got crowded. With the exception of breakfast the food was excellent with a vast choice, especially good was the pasta station. Unfortunately there was no egg station where you were supposed to get egg fried, scrambled, or omelettes etc., as due to bird flu the only eggs were hardboiled, therefore breakfast was limited to continental with a dubious sausage and various pastries. I stuck to toast and bought a jar of marmalade. Not too keen on the cereals. Although they did not seem to mind the birds that flew into the restaurant in the mornings and landed on the pastries, thought this strange bearing in mind their worries on the bird flu. 5 our of our group of 6 got Egyptian tummy but we took the necessary medication with us as we had been prewarned so it was soon sorted. Water is given out by the bottle with no problem so it is easy to keep hydrated. Snorkelling is simply fantastic, the fish are amazing and all via the jetty from the hotels private beach, no need to go anywhere else. Unfortunately the only downside is the entertainment and as with other reviews I have to agree that this is geared toward the Italians, who I must say could take a few lessons from the Egyptians and of course the British in manners. Found it best to ignore them. They did have an English duo twice a week who were entertaining but when you have seen them once, three more times is a bit too much. Although we went with Thomson, another guest recommend we book our tours outside the hotel with a firm call Cataract Tours, best move we made. They are in Naarma Bay just behind the Hard Rock Caf? and we saved a fortune, for example with Thomson the quad biking was ?25 each we paid ?15 for two and the day trip by plane to Cairo was ?108 each whereas with Thomson it was ?175. Seeing the pyramids is a must and because we booked outside we had a guide for the six of us who was simply fantastic. He arranged for us to go inside tombs that those on the Thomson tour never got to see and he also arranged a boat trip on the Nile which only cost ?5 per couple. Also shopping was included in the price of the trip which was perfume, carpets etc., but we opted out of this so he took us back to a restaurant on the Nile where we had drinks until it was time to head back to the airport. The domestic flight from Sharm to Cairo is something else but worth doing as it is 6/7 hours by coach each way. Only trip with Thomson we booked was the Dolphin swim. Here if I can recommend anything PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS SWIM. There are three dolphins who spend all there time in a pool less than half the size of the main one in the hotel. I have done the dolphin swim in Miami and dolphin encounter in Montego Bay and at both these locations these lovely mammals have so much room and freedom whereas in Sharm the really do not have much room at all. We entered the pool and were allowed to handle the dolphins as we wanted, I have to say that they did seem to like interacting with humans but their backs were badly scratched which I think is from where they perform shows in such small surroundings. Apparently they have been raised there and could not be released back into the wild but they could be moved to more suitable conditions. I have pictures of the pool they live in and really anyone who has done this sort of thing before would be broken hearted to see them, so again if more people boycott this then perhaps something will be done. All in in all Egypt is definitely the place to go for guaranteed sun and relaxation, people are great and I would recommend this holiday to everyone. (Clacton on Sea)

http://www.realholidayreports.com/reports/..\reports\reports.asp?report_id=19605
 
Re: Egypt announces third human death from bird flu

Re: Egypt announces third human death from bird flu

Sharm el Sheik is in the Sinai Peninsula, at the corner, on the Red Sea. This is NOT where bird flu is being found, in Egypt. It's a corner where there are few migratory birds.

It's a party town, a middle and upper middle class tourist resort. It's not near the Nile River.

Further, at every hotel we stayed in, breakfast eggs were being served, cooked any way you wanted them. That person was at a 3 star hotel, maybe. We were in 4 and 5 star hotels, Hilton, Le Meridian, Sonesta, and the marvelous Basma, and the Old Cataract Hotel and the best hotel in Luxor, all next to the Nile River. They served as of 2 days ago, chicken, lamb, veal, eggs, and lots of vegetables both raw and cooked. There were no birds in the dining areas.

I questioned the food supply sources; my friend said they flew in their food. I think they contract with a limited number of farmers. Beyond that, one crosses oneself and tosses lots of salt over one's shoulder.
 
Re: Egypt announces third human death from bird flu

Re: Egypt announces third human death from bird flu

GaudiaRay said:
I questioned the food supply sources; my friend said they flew in their food. I think they contract with a limited number of farmers. Beyond that, one crosses oneself and tosses lots of salt over one's shoulder.

Stay safe and Have Fun, it must be beutifull in the land of the ancent.
 
A death the third human bird flu case state

A death the third human bird flu case state

Machine translated from Arabic:

A death the third human bird flu case state
April 07, 2006

Doctor Mostafa Al Maraghi the Ministry of Health deputy in Monofiya declared, the death of the first human injury state by the bird flu in the governorate. She died the injured the girl Iman Mohamed Abdul Gawaad - 16 years - a student from Shoushae village in Ashmun district. It became clear that the girl mother was breeding the birds over the house surfaces, and some of the birds which led to the move of the disease to the girl, died that the undersecretary pointed to a work a cordon on the region totally and the work of survey complete to the village peoples. Also taking samples took place from the neighbours and their sending to the medical centers for holding the instant analyses to the village peoples. And she is considered this the third death state on the republic level after the death of two previous states.

http://www.alwafd.org/front/detail.php?id=12030&cat=sec&PHPSESSID=475ac06719bba0e7e0827e29d50b5653
 
Re: Egypt announces third human death from bird flu

Re: Egypt announces third human death from bird flu

Theresa, thanks for your good work and persistence with tracking this and the other cases.
 
Re: Egypt announces third human death from bird flu

Re: Egypt announces third human death from bird flu

11 cases in Egypt with 3 deaths. Is this an indication of a lower death rate?
 
Re: Egypt announces third human death from bird flu

Re: Egypt announces third human death from bird flu

thank you gr ,that was a lot of info!and a lot of scary info!be safe,wash fresh veggies twice!.tom:D
 
Re: Egypt announces third human death from bird flu

Re: Egypt announces third human death from bird flu

Maybe in Egypt, but in Indonesia it is more like 90% and Cambodia is 100%

Doofa said:
11 cases in Egypt with 3 deaths. Is this an indication of a lower death rate?
 
Re: Egypt announces third human death from bird flu

Re: Egypt announces third human death from bird flu

Doofa said:
11 cases in Egypt with 3 deaths. Is this an indication of a lower death rate?

Might just be an indication that all the news has fostered an attitude of treat first confrim later..,

Turkey showed that early treatment cures.
 
Re: Egyptian cases. 4 deaths

So Egyp all clear huh?

<table id="DetailedNews1_storyTable" border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" width="100%"> <tbody><tr id="DetailedNews1_titleRow"><td class="DetailedNewsTitleStyle" width="100%">Egypt''s Health Minister says Bird Flu is receding in Egypt </td> </tr><tr> <td>
</td> </tr><tr id="DetailedNews1_fullDetailsRow"> <td class="DetailedNewsFullDetailsStyle" width="100%">HLT-EGYPT-BIRD FLU
Egypt's Health Minister says Bird Flu is receding in Egypt
CAIRO, April 22 (KUNA) -- Bird Flu is currently receding in Egypt as cases between poultry have gone down and no additional human cases have been reported, said Saturday Egypt's Minister of Health and Population Dr. Hatem El-Gabali.

</td></tr></tbody> </table> http://www.kuna.net.kw/Home/Story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=855087
 
Re: Egyptian cases. 4 deaths

Kissa said:
So Egyp all clear huh?

Egypt's Health Minister says Bird Flu is receding in Egypt

CAIRO, April 22 (KUNA) -- Bird Flu is currently receding in Egypt as cases between poultry have gone down and no additional human cases have been reported, said Saturday Egypt's Minister of Health and Population Dr. Hatem El-Gabali.

http://www.kuna.net.kw/Home/Story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=855087
Yeah. Except for those 10 new cases in poultry reported just yesterday...

http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9124&postcount=5

These spin-doctors...I tell ya.... :rolleyes:
 
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