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Economic Impact of a Pandemic

Re: IMF: Bird flu could trigger global recession

Re: IMF: Bird flu could trigger global recession

Binkerbear said:
I don't have enough insight to make a bet on the dollar's move but remember that the Fed significantly increased in money supply in advance of Y2K. With this threat being having far more devastating potential, would that not mean huge increases (maybe already planned) throughout a pandemic ?

Hopefully they are planning. We will not know, for sure, what they are doing.
 
Re: IMF: Bird flu could trigger global recession

Re: IMF: Bird flu could trigger global recession

Binkerbear said:
I don't have enough insight to make a bet on the dollar's move but remember that the Fed significantly increased in money supply in advance of Y2K. With this threat being having far more devastating potential, would that not mean huge increases (maybe already planned) throughout a pandemic ?

The easing of foreign lending to the US is my point which is in concert with Fl1.
This to me is a crack in the wall of impenetrability...in terms of necessity to genuflect to the US dollar.

I fully understand that nobody really wants their money in a 3rd world country. I've been to enough to know this is nearly universal, unless business is booming for the entrepreneur in which case they're torn between expansion and capital preservation. My point is that when the US dollar is shunned, and interest rates go up, the shunning process is a psychological waterfall and the first water over the edge tells everyone else they too can safely go over the edge. Yes, rates will rise. And yes, they'll put their money in euros, gold, aussie and kiwi dollars, and into oil. They, those investors, to me clearly have no investment model which causes them to shun all else and invest in gold. But they're acting traditionally and what we're seeing, we're seeing. I see this is as the first sign of the discounting of the integrity of the dollar. Fl1, I believe, sees the US dollar as the default only serious choice, as does the IMF. I don't. I see that statement as obvious; so I look around it at what really will drive the markets...as I think that nearly every economist who holds a job as such is merely a steaming pile of ignorance; this does not include Fl1 as she's entrepreneurial, directing her own ship of fate.

Folks, gold is at $599.50. Silver's nearly $13. Interest rates are rising and the precious metals are near their 24-25 year highs, on a long term recovery trend. But, but, but, but... stutter the economists, "Precious metals earn no interest, carry a steep opportunity cost, and that opportunity cost is going up as interest rates rise." This must mean, in their peabrain thinking, that precious metals prices must decline. As that is not occurring, the message here is, "If you see an economist on the road, kill him/her." They're telling the lumpen's how to die. So, they deserve no better.

The IMF says both things... a rush to strong, deep, developed economies as a storage location for hot money...and > "In the worst case scenario, the shift in asset allocation caused by an outbreak of avian flu could trigger a disorderly unwinding of current global financial imbalances, the report warns. This phenomenon could be "very nasty," Hausler told Tuesday's press launch -- substantially worse than an unraveling caused by other factors such as a turning of the credit cycle -- with potentially very negative consequences for global financial stability."

I interpret this obvious observation as extremely negative for the US dollar. The US is the one country with the largest current global financial imbalance. Isn't that correct? So, hint hint, and kick in the shin, who is the IMF talking about? Let's see, it must be Tonga.

What's a disorderly unwinding of imbalances look like? That's the $64,000 Question. DEAR READER, PLEASE SPECULATE HERE.

I think it's gonna look like an abandonment of dollars and a rush into "the alternative" and that alternative is not the euro, and may be oil, and most certainly are the precious metals. Interest rates will skyrocket in the USA; the Feds will have no possible chance to get ahead of this; Ben at the Fed will not be able to print money as that will compound the problem, just like in 1923 Germany; housing might rise due to inflation, but I think it will instead surprise everyone and real estate in the USA will collapse in value as the owners get squeezed by both interest rates and the dramatic rise in oil from the USD$60's to the USD$90's (looked at the cost of gasoline lately?) and go bankrupt. The IMF is advising the lenders, "Hey, don't foreclose as that will make things worse." Talk about the lenders being held out as dummies!

I don't know how this will pan out yet, but I believe firmly in what I've just written. And of course, I welcome alternate views, to challenge my own thinking and persuade me and us with theirs.



Thx
 
Re: IMF: Bird flu could trigger global recession

Re: IMF: Bird flu could trigger global recession

I guess no one disagrees; no "bliss ninnies" here !

IMHO, it is more like a "Global Depression of Unprecedented Magnitude and Scale" -DB

I had missed DB's earlier post so I thought it needed repeating.
 
Re: Economic Impact of BF

Re: Economic Impact of BF

Bump this thread.
It is time to bump this thread again.

We are currently in a global economic slow down. Have we reached a global recession yet? All of the current deteriorating economic conditions are occurring without the economic detriments of a pandemic. What will be the economic effect of a pandemic with millions of people dying and a good percentage of the global workforce laid up sick over period of 12 to 18 months involving several infectious waves?

The prospects for "world-wide business as usual" during a pandemic are nonexistent. It is time to reconsider pandemic planning and preparation at all levels in light of the declining global economy.
 
Re: Economic Impact of a Pandemic

I wonder if the global recession would have some potentially good side effects for survivability during a pandemic?

1) The slow down in international shipments may cause economies to become more dependent on local assets and resources. This may have the effect of helping support local sustainable: farmers, industries and power generation.

2) People/families may have to become more self-reliant, frugal and more waste conscious. This may mean repairing clothing instead of buying new, putting in a vegetable garden and eating more meals at home (investing in a well stocked pantry and sewing kit).

3) It may mean that people become more inter-dependent. Subdivisions and developments may become neighborhoods (in the old fashion meaning of the word) out of necessity. These needs could include car pooling not only for work but for grocery runs, finding out who in the area is handy at fixing plumbing, electrical, carpentry, masonry, child care, sewing, baking, keeping the family car or computer running with used or borrowed parts.

4) Also neighborhood safety and security may become more of an issue. Neighbors may take more responsibility looking out for each other and local properties in an effort to create a safer environment for their families. This may be done thru formal or informal neighborhood watch groups. These could groups could become important in coordinating local efforts in the event of a pandemic. It does not take a degree in economics to predict there will be pressure to cut budgets including unfortunately those of Health Care Providers, Law Enforcement and First Responders.
 
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