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Discussion: Wood smoke COPD: a new description of a COPD phenotype?

Lizw

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If anyone here has a subscription to the European Respiratory Journal, I'd sure like to know a bit more about this. I heat with wood, and while I so far have not had problems with neighbors or anyone else, many others have had to cope with them. I know it can be an issue--one of my daughters gets asthmatic flares every winter when the neighbors in her suburb light up their fireplaces.
 
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If people would burn wood properly the problem wouldn't be so bad. Fireplaces do not burn hot enough, people don't use properly seasoned wood, and they burn inappropriate material along with the wood (plastics, etc.). Still - even the best burn creates worrisome particles and dioxins.

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From an evolutionary point of view this is very interesting since mankind has been exposed to wood smoke forever. Without fire (= wood smoke) mankind would have been in a very different situation today, so I highly doubt this wood smoke COPD really exists.

Where am I wrong?
 
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Perhaps it is because we have such tightly sealed homes?

We use wood, but my little grandson who lives with us is having airway issues, so, we are cutting back and not using it as much this coming winter. I dearly love the heat from my masonry wood stove, so not using it is a big sacrifice for me. We bought some HEPA filters hoping maybe it would help his issues and still allow me to warm my weary bones with the wood fire.
 
Re: Wood smoke COPD: a new description of a COPD phenotype?

Re: Wood smoke COPD: a new description of a COPD phenotype?

From an evolutionary point of view this is very interesting since mankind has been exposed to wood smoke forever. Without fire (= wood smoke) mankind would have been in a very different situation today, so I highly doubt this wood smoke COPD really exists.

Where am I wrong?

I think you are wrong if you are assuming that health problems don't exist unless they wipe out the human race.
 
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Re: Wood smoke COPD: a new description of a COPD phenotype?

As an asthmatic, I find that a good hot fire with properly cured wood doesn't cause me problems. The air cleaners also do help me. So, a combination of the two should help your grandson.
 
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Re: Wood smoke COPD: a new description of a COPD phenotype?

I think you are wrong if you are assuming that health problems don't exist unless they wipe out the human race.

I am not assuming that health problems don't exist unless they wipe out the human race, but I think there could be something else going on. People are less active nowadays (Lung activity), allergy is on the rise and I would really like to know about Wood Smoke COPD in Medieval Times...
 
Re: Discussion: Wood smoke COPD: a new description of a COPD phenotype?

Ventilation only helps as far as indoor quality if the outside air is clean. Studies show that even in modern, well-sealed homes about 50-70% of fine particulates outside penetrate into homes. (You need some oxygen so building standards don't allow for zero inflow.) So if the neighborhood air is polluted, (inversions or badly done combustion by neighbors), or you live uphill from a neighbor's chimney, ventilation won't help.

It does sound, though, like an 'extreme negative pressure' can build up in modern homes that burn wood:
(ETA: Reading that again, just using exhaust fans could do this.)

http://www.fplc.ca/Information/SafetyTips/WoodSafety/Reed/09_guide.htm

So if outside air is good, there might be tweaking you can do. I'd get some advice from an HVAC person since you don't want induce any new problems from devices that emit carbon monoxide as you change ventilation/pressure patterns.
 
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Re: Wood smoke COPD: a new description of a COPD phenotype?

Re: Wood smoke COPD: a new description of a COPD phenotype?

I am not assuming that health problems don't exist unless they wipe out the human race, but I think there could be something else going on. People are less active nowadays (Lung activity), allergy is on the rise and I would really like to know about Wood Smoke COPD in Medieval Times...

You could certainly be right about allergy/inflammation/autoimmune diseases increases being due to multiple reasons, but that would still allow for wood smoke to be an avoidable trigger.
 
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You could certainly be right about allergy/inflammation/autoimmune diseases increases being due to multiple reasons, but that would still allow for wood smoke to be an avoidable trigger.

I think the "avoidable trigger" is an evolutionary selector.
 
Re: Discussion: Wood smoke COPD: a new description of a COPD phenotype?

But the woodsmoke associated respiratory issues are not new and are well documented;

Int J Tuberc Lung Dis. 2008 Sep;12(9):1092-8.
Wood smoke-associated lung disease: a clinical, functional, radiological and pathological description.
Moran-Mendoza O1, P?rez-Padilla JR, Salazar-Flores M, Vazquez-Alfaro F.
Author information
Abstract
BACKGROUND:
Approximately half of the world's population, and up to 90% of households in rural areas of developing countries, depend on biomass for cooking and heating.
SETTING:
The National Institute of Respiratory Diseases, M?xico City.
OBJECTIVE:
To describe wood smoke-associated lung disease (WSLD).
DESIGN:
Description of the clinical, functional and radiological manifestations of patients with WSLD, and a comparison of pathological findings of patients who died of WSLD and smokers who died of chronic bronchitis.
RESULTS:
All patients with WSLD were non-smoking women with chronic bronchitis, in whom asthma, bronchiectasis, tuberculosis, congestive heart failure, extreme obesity and alfa-1 antitrypsin deficiency had been excluded. All patients used wood for cooking and had been exposed to wood smoke for a median of 45 years. Dyspnoea, airway obstruction, air trapping, increased airway resistance, pathological evidence of anthracosis, chronic bronchitis, centrilobular emphysema and pulmonary hypertension were present in most patients with WSLD. Bronchial squamous metaplasia was a common finding. There were no significant differences in the histopathological findings between patients with WSLD and smokers. Diffuse interstitial fibrosis was absent in all patients.
CONCLUSIONS:
Patients with WSLD have obstructive lung disease, chronic bronchitis, emphysema and pulmonary hypertension comparable to smokers.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18713510

HEALTH EFFECTS OF BREATHING WOODSMOKE
Summary: Numerous scientific studies report potentially serious adverse health effects
from breathing smoke emitted by residential wood combustion. Smoke contains fine
particles, which can affect both the lungs and the heart. Residential wood smoke may be
a significant source of exposure to fine particle pollution.
...

The following conclusions are from a review article by Judith T. Zelikoff5
that
examines many of the health effects studies published in the last 25 years. The article
appeared in the Journal of Toxicology & Environmental Health in 2002:
With regard to adults, studies show that prolonged inhalation of
wood smoke contributed to chronic bronchitis (Rajpandey6
, 1984),
chronic interstitial lung disease, pulmonary arterial hypertension and cor
pulmonale (Sandoval7
et al., 1993), and altered pulmonary immune
defense mechanisms (Demarest8
et al., 1979; Ramage9
et al., 1988).
While adverse effects on adults are notable, children appear to be at
greatest risk. Many studies that focused specifically on RWC have
concluded that young children living in homes heated by a wood-burning
stove had a greater occurrence of moderate and severe chronic respiratory
symptoms than children of the same age and sex who did not live in
homes heated with a wood burning stove. Exposure of preschool children
living in homes heated with wood burning stoves or in houses with open
fireplaces yielded these effects: decreased pulmonary lung function in
young asthmatics (Koenig10 et al., 1993); increased incidence of acute
bronchitis and severity/frequency of wheezing and coughing (Butterfield11
et al., 1989); and increased incidence, duration, and possibly severity of
acute respiratory infections (Honicky12 13 et al., 1983, 1985; Rajpandey,
1984; Morris14 et al., 1990; Collings15 et al., 1990; Honicky and
Osborne16, 1991; Kammen17 et al., 1998).


...
http://www.epa.gov/burnwise/pdfs/woodsmoke_health_effects_jan07.pdf

American Lung Association Says Wood Smoke Pollution Hazardous to Health
As cooler temperatures begin to mark the beginning of fall, the American Lung Association of
California is urging the public to avoid wood burning and to consider cleaner burning
alternatives. Burning wood emits harmful toxins and fine particles in the air that can worsen
breathing problems and lead to heart and lung disease and even early death.
?Breathing particle pollution ? or soot ? can literally shorten life and send our most vulnerable
residents to the emergency room. Study after study shows that when particle pollution levels
increase, people can die,? said David Pepper, MD, a volunteer of the American Lung Association
in California.
...
http://www.ci.millbrae.ca.us/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=1677

etc.
 
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I think the "avoidable trigger" is an evolutionary selector.

So you think if wood smoke were related to a health problem in the past, then anyone suffering from that problem would not live long enough to have children? COPD is more of a problem for people beyond child-bearing age.
 
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So you think if wood smoke were related to a health problem in the past, then anyone suffering from that problem would not live long enough to have children? COPD is more of a problem for people beyond child-bearing age.

No, I think it STILL is a problem to anyone, and mankind, and other organisms, and we are STILL adjusting to this -living out of Africa- situation. Including your and mine offspring.
 
Re: Wood smoke COPD: a new description of a COPD phenotype?

Re: Wood smoke COPD: a new description of a COPD phenotype?

As an asthmatic, I find that a good hot fire with properly cured wood doesn't cause me problems. The air cleaners also do help me. So, a combination of the two should help your grandson.

And from a safety perspective, a hot fire also results in much less residue in the chimney, thereby reducing the risk of a chimney fire. I just had my chimney cleaned, and the man who did it said there was almost no creosote or soot. Lots of stink bugs, sigh, but no soot.
 
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