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Discussion thread VII - COVID-19: Endemic Stage

Why do more people get shingles after being infected with the new crown?

07:00, June 17, 2023

  His eyeballs seemed to be burning, dry, sensitive to light, and unable to look at things for a long time... At the age of 26, one day after working night shifts for a long time, Wu Zhuo's left eye suddenly ached. In the next few days, the pain intensified and spread from the left eye to around the left temple. Even after taking painkillers, he would still be woken up in the middle of the night. When the pain was the worst, he even thought of committing suicide.
  On the fifth day after the onset of symptoms, clusters of small transparent blisters appeared on his left forehead and above his left eye, and they were connected together. After that, he was diagnosed with herpes zoster. This makes it hard for him to believe that he basically does not get sick every day, and he "thinks he has a good immune system", but he has "geriatric diseases".
  Recently, on social media, many young people shared that they developed herpes zoster shortly after being infected with the new coronavirus and turned negative.
  Shingles is a common infectious skin disease, caused by the same virus that causes chickenpox, that affects people over the age of 50 and those with compromised immune systems. The consensus in the industry is that about one-third of the population may suffer from shingles in their lifetime. As they age, symptoms and painful complications become more serious. Herpes zoster is called "the cancer that never dies."
  The "Chinese Expert Consensus on Diagnosis and Treatment of Herpes Zoster (2022 Edition)" (hereinafter referred to as "Expert Consensus") mentioned that the global incidence of common herpes zoster is increasing at a rate of 2.5% to 5% per year. How should people deal with this "breathing pain"?
The blisters caused by herpes zoster are often found on the waist, so herpes zoster is also commonly known as "loin-clothed dragon" and "snake loincloth". Figure/Visual China

  not just geriatrics
  If a person has chickenpox as a child, it is also possible for a person to develop shingles as an adult. The virus that causes chickenpox stays dormant in the ganglia for a long time, and at some point in the future when the body's immunity declines, the virus is activated, causing rashes and neuralgia. Even if you've never had chickenpox, the varicella-zoster virus is widespread. Statistics show that more than 90% of adults have this virus lurking in their bodies.
  Herpes zoster is mostly distributed in the area of ​​peripheral nerves in a band shape. A piece of erythema will first appear on the skin, and then clusters of papules the size of rice grains will grow, and then develop into blisters. These blisters may grow in different places on the body, the most common is on the waist, so herpes zoster is also commonly known as "loin-clothed dragon" and "snake loincloth". In addition, herpes zoster can also develop on the chest, eyes, ears, face, scalp, etc., mostly on one side, accompanied by unbearable pain.
  Shingles has long been considered a disease of the elderly. According to reports, in China, about 1.56 million people aged 50 and above develop herpes zoster every year. In the United States, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, about 1 million people are infected with shingles every year. The older you are, the higher the risk of the disease. Half of the elderly who live to the age of 85 will get shingles once in their lifetime. herpes. As the population ages, more people are likely to be afflicted with shingles each year.
  But shingles doesn't just affect the elderly. On June 3, Han Jisheng, academician of the Chinese Academy of Sciences and "the father of Chinese pain science", mentioned in a forum that the onset of herpes zoster tends to be younger. Fu Lanqin, deputy chief physician of the Department of Dermatology of Peking Union Medical College Hospital, told China News Weekly that most of the patients with herpes zoster are elderly people. Although there is no authoritative epidemiological survey, in recent years, she still feels that young patients who come to the clinic has increased, and there are very few young children among them.
  On the question-and-answer platform Zhihu, there are many topics such as "I, 23 years old, actually got shingles" and "29 years old got shingles records". Overwork, lack of rest due to staying up late, stress, malnutrition, emotional sadness, etc. are the causes of herpes zoster in young people.
  Young people get shingles, which is a modern disease. Tang Shuai, Chief Physician of the Department of Anesthesiology of Peking Union Medical College Hospital, is not surprised by this. He is the leader of the "Multidisciplinary Herpes Zoster Full Course Management Team" of Peking Union Medical College Hospital. He told "China News Weekly", "Every disease is getting younger now. Young people have a lot of work and life pressure, and their immunity is weakened. They may get herpes zoster at any time." Compared with middle-aged and elderly people, most young patients have milder symptoms , and the cure rate is also higher. He reminded that even if some people are not tired or depressed, they still have herpes zoster. Everyone must be conscious and go for a comprehensive physical examination to check whether they have immune system diseases.
  Pain often runs through the whole process of herpes zoster. Different patients have different experience, which may be one or more pains like burning, electric shock, knife cutting, acupuncture or tearing. Tian Ye got herpes zoster at the age of 25. The herpes grew horizontally on the left side of his waist, and the area was slightly larger than the palm of his hand. She described the pain as "like someone is drilling a hole in your body with an awl, or cutting off your waist." Sometimes it is a large area of ​​pain, and sometimes it feels like a pinprick. Before getting herpes zoster, the most painful experience she experienced was wisdom tooth extraction, but the pain of herpes zoster was "five to six times" that of wisdom tooth extraction.
  In the most serious stage, Wu Zhuo’s entire left forehead and the top of his left eye were covered with blisters. In the later stage, the blisters were pus-filled and crusted, which seriously affected his appearance. He couldn’t wash his hair and face for about two weeks. “I don’t pay much attention to my image. Ugly doesn't matter, but the pain is too debilitating." What Wu Zhuo felt was the burning pain after the cornea was damaged. He couldn't open his left eye. The pain intensified at night and it was difficult to fall asleep.
  Shingles that grow on the eyes are the most painful. Tang Shuai explained to "China News Weekly" that there are three kinds of pain that are more painful than childbirth, namely cancer pain of tumors, neuralgia of herpes zoster and trigeminal neuralgia. "The eyes are located in the area innervated by the trigeminal nerve. There are two kinds". During the consultation, he will ask the patient, "The pain of childbirth is 10 points, and the pain is 0 points. How much pain do you have now?" Patients often answer without hesitation, 10 points, 20 points!
  Herpes zoster is a common skin disease, but many doctors said that the public still has misunderstandings about herpes zoster. Tang Shuai met some patients who hoped that doctors would completely eliminate the vesicular-zoster virus in their bodies, and even three months after getting shingles, they were still taking antiviral drugs. Tang Shuai explained, "This virus continues to lurk in the human body, it cannot be killed, and there is no need to kill it." Patients only need to use antiviral drugs one or two weeks before the course of the disease to control virus replication and reduce the toxicity of the virus. , The rapid replication period of the virus has ended, and there is no need to treat the virus anymore.
  The virus "cannot be killed" also means that herpes zoster does not have to be immune for life once. According to Tang Shuai, its recurrence rate is 1% to 6%, and most of them are patients with chronic diseases that affect the immune system. But young people should not take it lightly. He once met a young female patient who stayed up late playing mahjong many times, and herpes zoster recurred twice.
  Chang Jianmin, director of the Department of Dermatology at Beijing Hospital and professor of Peking University School of Medicine, did not have specific statistics, but he clearly felt clinically that during the COVID-19 epidemic, the number of patients with herpes zoster increased, mainly middle-aged and elderly people. There has also been an increase in the number of people with shingles.
  In March 2022, an article published in the "Infectious Diseases Open Forum" journal published by the Infectious Diseases Society of America showed that the researchers compared about 400,000 new crown patients with 1.6 million patients who were not infected with the new crown virus and found that they were diagnosed as infected. People with COVID-19 had a 15 percent higher risk of developing shingles than people without COVID-19, and that risk rose to 21 percent if they were hospitalized with COVID-19. The author added that the immune dysfunction caused by the new coronavirus may promote the activation of varicella-zoster virus, but this still needs further research to prove.
  The "Expert Consensus" stated that there is currently no clear evidence for the prevalence of the new coronavirus and the risk of herpes zoster, but studies have shown that if a person infected with the new coronavirus develops herpes zoster, it usually occurs within 1 to 2 weeks after the onset of the new coronavirus infection. And accompanied by typical symptoms.



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This was a bench study on organelles, not on autopsy material. Does this happen in the human body? They said the vaccine spike didn't have that effect, but some vaccinated are having the same symptoms as long covid people. So I think there is something else that these two groups have in common, though I did see reports, especially in earlier vaccine batches, of impurities such as mRNA fragments in batches that code for unknown proteins.
 
I went to the doctor for a wellness check today and when he entered the room he asked me if I was sick.

I was wearing an N95 mask. I said, "No, I have never had covid and I don't want to get it."

An M.D. in a multi-doctor practice with many vulnerable patients sitting in the waiting room.


:oops: :banghead: :taz: :whistle:
 
where would it be posted or discussed here, when a new pandemic threat emerges ?
Which subforum , direct link ?
Or is there a mailing list for this , as I remember they had at some other forum following bird flu 2005

Well, maybe check pubmed .. but they have also many nonpandemic posts, hard to filter
 
If you believe there is another pandemic threat start a thread here in the discussion forum and I will move it to the appropriate sub-forum. Thanks!
 
ok, but more likely someone else will notice it first
and post about it.
I mean, where could I regurarly check ?

I totally missed covid until the Wuhan quarantine was in the major news


my main concern is a manmade pandemic...
we know now, how to do that
 
I wanted to mention that a person who has questioned the COVID-19 vaccines, various other pharm issues, government surveillance and manipulation was a witness in some hearings in Washington D.C. His name is Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and he is running for president of the US. You can google this topic and get a plethora of input. I just wanted to mention it here for our records.

We are not censoring any vaccine info. There is now plenty of evidence developing about the risks (like all medicine) of the COVID-19 vaccines. We have some of this information in our scientific library here.

There was an earlier discussion about the risks of the vaccines but it was closed because it became centered on rumors, conspiracies, etc. link There is some probative information on the thread and it was important at the time because the studies scientifically documenting the risks were slow in coming - mostly because the vaccines are only 2 years old. It takes time to gather and quantify data.

Please see our disclosure above. We do not endorse any medical anything. And while Kennedy may occasionally appear on this site due to his involvement in pharma topics, it is not an endorsement of his views or his political aspirations.

We our only agenda is public health.

Thank you for viewing!


p.s. The government has been watching everything for many years as Edward Snowden said. We have always been frank about this. In the early days of Flublogia (2005) it was clear to me that there were government "shills" on the discussion boards. facebook and twitter are large discussion boards.
 
If we take the profit out of pandemic 'countermeasures', there would be less motive to create another novel virus, or to hype one.
 
the damage is much larger than the profit of some.
see alone the 2*2T US- relief payments

compare with terrorism, war . Ideology. Revenge.
 
WHO Director-General's opening remarks at the media briefing – 9 August 2023

9 August 2023
...

Three months ago, I declared an end to COVID-19 as a global health emergency, although I said that it remains a global health threat.

Since then, the number of reported cases, hospitalizations and deaths globally has continued to decline.

However, the number of countries reporting data to WHO has also declined significantly.

In the past month, only 25% of countries and territories have reported COVID-19 deaths to WHO, and only 11% have reported hospitalizations and ICU admissions.

This doesn’t mean that other countries don’t have deaths or hospitalizations, it means they are not reporting them to WHO.

There is no question that the risk of severe disease and death is vastly lower than it was a year ago, thanks to increasing population immunity from vaccination, infection or both, and from early diagnosis with better clinical care.

Despite these improvements, WHO continues to assess the risk of COVID-19 to global public health as high.

The virus continues to circulate in all countries, it continues to kill and it continues to change.

WHO is currently tracking several variants including EG.5, for which we are publishing a risk evaluation today.

The risk remains of a more dangerous variant emerging that could cause a sudden increase in cases and deaths.

When I declared an end to the COVID-19 emergency in May, I announced that I was establishing a review committee to advise me on standing recommendations to support countries to manage COVID-19 in the long-term.

Today, on the advice of the committee, I am issuing standing recommendations for countries in seven major areas.

These recommendations reinforce the advice WHO has provided to countries in its Strategic Preparedness and Response Plan, published in May.

First, all countries should update their national COVID-19 programmes using the WHO Strategic Preparedness and Response Plan, to move towards longer term sustained management of COVID-19.

Second, we urge all countries to sustain collaborative surveillance for COVID-19, to detect significant changes in the virus, as well as trends in disease severity and population immunity.

Third, all countries should report COVID-19 data to WHO or in open sources, especially on death and severe disease, genetic sequences, and data on vaccine effectiveness.

Fourth, all countries should continue to offer COVID-19 vaccination, especially for the most at-risk groups, who are most likely to be hospitalised or to die.

Fifth, all countries should continue to initiate, support, and collaborate on research to generate evidence for COVID-19 prevention and control.

Sixth, all countries should deliver optimal clinical care for COVID-19, including access to proven treatments and measures to protect health workers and caregivers.

And seventh, all countries should continue to work towards ensuring equitable access to safe, effective and quality-assured vaccines, tests and treatments for COVID-19.

We recognise that many people and governments view COVID-19 as a thing of the past.

So why are these recommendations still important?

For those who lost someone they love, for those who continue to be at risk of severe disease or death, for those who continue to suffer from post-COVID-19 condition – for them, COVID-19 is still a daily threat, and a daily trauma.

WHO will not forget about COVID-19, and nor can governments.

Implementing these recommendations will not only help to protect against COVID-19, it will also help countries to prevent and respond to other diseases.

We cannot predict the future, but we can prepare for the future.
...

https://www.who.int/news-room/speec...remarks-at-the-media-briefing---9-august-2023
 
“The last time we saw such a big change was when Omicron appeared” -
Morten Rasmussen, Statens Serum Institut Denmark
BA.2.86 has 34 new mutations vs BA.2, 36 more than XBB.1.5.
Dr Bloom calls it evolutionary jump. Its clinical abilities are unknow
 
“The last time we saw such a big change was when Omicron appeared” -
Morten Rasmussen, Statens Serum Institut Denmark
BA.2.86 has 34 new mutations vs BA.2, 36 more than XBB.1.5.
Dr Bloom calls it evolutionary jump. Its clinical abilities are unknow


Three cases of BA.2.86 have been detected in Denmark

Statens Serum Institut has detected another case of the new subvariant of omicron, B.2.86.

Updated 18 August 2023

A new corona variant, which has been named BA.2.86, was found in Denmark this week, and now Statens Serum Institut (SSI) has detected another case. Isolated cases with the same variant have also been detected in Israel, the United States and the United Kingdom.

The subvariant differs significantly from the other omicron variants that have been seen in the past, and it is designated as ‘Variant under monitoring’ by the WHO.

"It is unusual for corona to change so significantly and develop 30 new mutations. The last time we saw such a big change was when omicron appeared", says senior researcher at SSI, Morten Rasmussen.

The three cases in Denmark are from different parts of the country, and do not appear to have had contact with each other.

SSI grows viruses and analyzes vaccine efficacy

It is still too early to say anything about the severity and contagiousness of the new variant. SSI is in the process of researching and growing the virus variant to test it against antibodies.

"It is clear that we react when we see something completely new, that is the job. But none of the three preliminary cases have had symptoms other than those normally seen in the course of covid-19. We also have a strong expectation that the vaccines - also with this variant - will provide good protection against serious disease", says Tyra Grove Krause, Executive Vice President for Epidemiological Infectious Disease Preparedness, SSI.

There is a lot of international attention to the findings, and therefore SSI continuously shares information about the cases detected in Denmark with the international researchers and health authorities.

Read more about the virus variant BA.2.86

...​

https://en.ssi.dk/news/news/2023/three-cases-of-ba-2-86-have-been-detected-in-denmark
 
I see a lot online about anticipated COVID-19 mandates. These types of restrictions are counterproductive at this point in a pandemic - except for certain settings with fragile people.

While private companies can make their own decisions about how they want to handle things - everyone knows about the dangers of COVID-19 now. Mass mandates will only cause social strife.

GIve people the tools and let them choose for themselves and their families. Masks, hand sani, vaccines, OTC, pharma, traditional supplements that have some proven effectiveness should be free. Test kits should be free too.

We all knew that COVID-19 was going to evolve. So adapt. Be resilient. Pick and choose among the options.

Social strife is already very high. Do we need to send people over the edge?


Not medical advice below.

For me - I am still doing the same things and I have not caught COVID-19 (that I know of). I do not go indoors without a CLEAN N95 respirator (mask). I know...blah blah blah..."masks are no good"..."some tiny particles can get in"..... I am going to keep wearing the mask.

Also, I have taken 6 shots of COVID-19 vaccine and I am still alive. I have no idea if I have a new heart defect, or not, but I feel good. I have no idea if I will get another booster. I would rather not because I think enough already....but I might.

I still do not attend any crowded events and I carry a small of bottle of hand sani my car.

So hang in there. Make reasoned decisions. As this site said 3 years ago - do not expect anyone to protect you. You need to protect yourself. Even at the height of the pandemic some passengers on airplanes would not follow guidelines and they would not wear even the most flimsy covering pulled up over their nose.

Widespread mandates are unenforceable.

Watch your local news for developments in your area.

Take care of you.
 
WHO Director-General's opening remarks at the media briefing – 25 August 2023

25 August 2023

...
Two weeks ago, I issued standing recommendations for countries on the long-term management of COVID-19.

I said then that COVID remains a global health threat.

Although data available to WHO continues to decline, we have seen increasing reports of hospitalizations, ICU admissions and deaths in some countries.

We continue to call on all countries to strengthen surveillance, sequencing and reporting so we can assess the risk of new variants such as EG.5 and BA.2.86.

And we continue to call on all countries to implement the standing recommendations to save lives and prevent the burden of long COVID.

...

https://www.who.int/news-room/speec...emarks-at-the-media-briefing---25-august-2023
 
France -

Translation Google

"The return of the Covid is not worrying", reassures Aurélien Rousseau, Minister of Health

Guest of Télématin this Tuesday, September 5, 2023, the Minister of Health gave an update on the coronavirus epidemic. He refuted the return of compulsory vaccination for all.

By Martin Leduc
Published on 5 Sep 23 at 8:25

The Covid-19 seems to be back.

While the epidemic has been losing ground for a few months, many cases have appeared in recent weeks. Two new variants, BA.2.86, called “Pirola” , and EG.5.1, nicknamed Eris , have been detected. According to Aurélien Rousseau , you just have to "take back the reflexes".

“The key will be the barrier gestures”

Invited on the Télématin set , this Tuesday, September 5, 2023, the Minister of Health wanted to reassure.

We stand ready to accelerate the vaccination campaign if necessary. But for the moment, the return of the Covid is not worrying. The World Health Organization (WHO) does not issue an alert.

Aurelien Rousseau
The Minister of Health


Notwithstanding, the Minister insisted on the importance, if the need arises, of resuming barrier gestures. “The key”, according to him.

“We have symptoms or we go to see a fragile person: we wear a mask”, he recalled.

Towards a return to compulsory vaccination?

Asked about the idea of ​​a return to compulsory vaccination of the population, the Minister of Health replied in the negative, without totally ruling out the idea: "If the intensity of the epidemic were to increase, we would seek the High Authority for Health. For now, it's highly recommended but no more. »

Moreover, the new campaign scheduled for January will not be advanced. "It's easier to do flu and Covid at the same time", he justified, specifying all the same that "if we have to bring the period forward, we will do it. We are ready to accelerate”.

Regarding the protocol for nursing staff, Aurélien Rousseau assured that it will not “reinforce. This is not planned to date. It is everyone's responsibility. If we have the Covid, we stay at home ”.


https://actu.fr/societe/le-retour-d...n-rousseau-ministre-de-la-sante_60041393.html
 
WHO Director-General's opening remarks at the media briefing – 6 Septmber 2023

6 September 2023
...
We continue to see concerning trends for COVID-19 ahead of the winter season in the northern hemisphere.

Deaths are increasing in some parts of the Middle East and Asia, ICU admissions are increasing in Europe and hospitalizations are increasing in several regions.

Still, data are limited.


Only 43 countries – less than a quarter of WHO Member States – are reporting deaths to WHO, and only 20 provide information on hospitalizations.

Globally, there is not one variant that is dominant. The variant of interest EG.5 is on the rise, while the XBB subvariants are declining.

The BA.2.86 variant has been detected in small numbers in 11 countries.

WHO is monitoring this variant closely to assess its transmissibility and potential impact.

One of WHO’s biggest concerns is the low level of at-risk people who have received a dose of COVID-19 vaccine recently. Our message is not to wait to get an additional dose if it is recommended for you.

...

https://www.who.int/news-room/speec...marks-at-the-media-briefing---6-septmber-2023
 
Related to:
US first lady Jill Biden tests positive for Covid-19
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum...t-lady-jill-biden-tests-positive-for-covid-19

Biden appears to be over Covid protocols

After the first lady’s illness, the president has contradicted precautions the White House insists remain in place.

By ADAM CANCRYN
09/06/2023 07:55 PM EDT

For two days straight, the White House told anyone who would listen that President Joe Biden was taking his Covid exposure seriously by following a strict set of public health precautions.

Then Biden strode into a room full of people on Wednesday and reduced those precautions to a punchline.

“I’ve been tested again today, I’m clear across the board,” Biden said, smiling as he held up his face mask. “They keep telling me, because it has to be 10 days or something, I gotta keep wearing it. But don’t tell them I didn’t have it when I walked in.”

The joke earned muted laughter from the audience. But outside the State Dining Room, it served as further confirmation of what many public health officials and outside experts have long come to believe: The president who once pledged to eliminate Covid altogether has grown significantly less worried about it. And may be all but over it on a personal level.

“It’s unfortunate,” said Michael Osterholm, an epidemiologist and former Covid adviser to the Biden transition. “Because as we begin to see the number of deaths rise in the country, Covid is still with us.”
...

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/06/biden-first-lady-covid-protocols-00114385
 
US -

Sore throat, then congestion: Common Covid symptoms follow a pattern now, doctors say
...
Sept. 16, 2023, 6:00 AM CST
By Aria Bendix

Doctors say they're finding it increasingly difficult to distinguish Covid from allergies or the common cold, even as hospitalizations tick up.

The illness' past hallmarks, such as a dry cough or the loss of sense of taste or smell, have become less common. Instead, doctors are observing milder disease, mostly concentrated in the upper respiratory tract.

"It isn’t the same typical symptoms that we were seeing before. It’s a lot of congestion, sometimes sneezing, usually a mild sore throat," said Dr. Erick Eiting, vice chair of operations for emergency medicine at Mount Sinai Downtown in New York City.

The sore throat usually arrives first, he said, then congestion.
...
"Just about everyone who I've seen has had really mild symptoms," Eiting said of his urgent care patients, adding, "The only way that we knew that it was Covid was because we happened to be testing them."
...
For the most part, the doctors said, few patients require hospitalization — even those who show up at emergency rooms — and many recover without needing the antiviral pill Paxlovid or other treatment.
...
Daignault said emergency rooms generally aren’t seeing the shortness of breath, low oxygen rates or viral pneumonia that led some patients to be put on oxygen tubes or ventilators in the past.

Instead, he said, the typical Covid patients hospitalized in Burbank are older and suffering dehydration, loss of appetite, weakness or fatigue.
...
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-symptoms-mild-follow-pattern-doctors-say-rcna105090
 
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