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Discussion thread V - COVID-19 (new coronavirus)

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I personally think that:

- on the one hand the Dutch mink breeders, and their farms must be protected and really supported, because they will teach us much more than these 15 years of mismanagement ...

- on the other hand, the bamboo rat breeders, they are also people to protect, help and support.

that standards laboratories and honest researchers are needed to supervise them, that should be possible.


I received this, this evening:

L’Angleterre falsifie les donn?es de la COVID-19: Plus de cent mille tests de coronavirus ont ?t? ? compt?s deux fois ?.
https://www.mondialisation.ca/langle...x-fois/5645820

and that
Selon le Dr Anthony Fauci, la r?ouverture de l’?conomie ?tasunienne mettrait en danger la sant? des gens
https://www.mondialisation.ca/selon-...s-gens/5645831

I have no opinion, but it really smells bad
 
Reckoning With The Dead: Journalist Goes Inside An NYC COVID-19 Disaster Morgue


May 28, 20201:19 PM ET

Listen to audio interview of reporter:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...medium=twitter



reporters article:

"..Over the past two months, the medical examiner’s office has transformed into a hub-and-spoke organization for the collection, transport and storage of corpses. It has installed more than 100 refrigerated trailers outside 58 hospitals in all five boroughs. A planning team plots out response calls in order of urgency. A fueling truck is sent around to fill up each refrigerated trailer once a day. All of it happens 24 hours a day, seven days a week. The core mission is to vastly expand the city’s storage capacity, easing the burden on undertakers and gravediggers who are backlogged with bodies and inundated with requests. Before the pandemic, the medical examiner’s traditional morgues could store up to 900 bodies. Capacity is now at least five times that..."

https://time.com/5839056/new-york-ci...s-coronavirus/
 
Schools nationwide brace for cuts from new financial crisis

By JEFF AMY today

... The financial crisis wrought by COVID-19 has left America’s more than 13,000 school systems wrestling with the likelihood of big budget cuts. In some, it already has spoiled dreams of expanded funding and teacher pay raises. Advocates are pushing for more federal aid to schools as researchers warn budget woes could lead to massive teacher layoffs — and less learning.

AFT President Randi Weingarten said schools will need more money, not less, to protect students and teachers from COVID-19 and help students.

... “If you don’t have this, states are going to be doing huge budget cuts for schools, which would necessarily mean more layoffs and fewer services,” Weingarten said. “At the same time, this is a bridge year when kids have more instructional needs and need more services.”

https://apnews.com/b55e1180eed48613...n=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP
 
I hope they can get more federal aid, Mary. Otherwise states with regressive systems that rely only on property taxes will need to raise those taxes even further. Also teaching staff might be reduced now that people are used to online teaching. I don't think we can go on with mass home schooling once we get back to normal, (will we?), but the schools could have low paid 'minders' monitor kids who are taught via online courses at physical schools.
 
Emily said:
Now I think I understand Brexit.
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You are sure ? a little bit more, but in french, it's better...

ASF Pologne: le virus semble imparable chez le sanglier

https://www.pigprogress.net/Health/A...-boar-590693E/
si cet agent n'?tait pas vraiment connu, du temps ou il s?vissait en Afrique, son retour sur le sol europ?en a induit de vraies actions. Si la situation a ?t? maitris?e en bien des lieux, il faut alors se poser la question des pourquoi des non r?sultats. Si les bases scientifiques sont partag?es, pour les bases l?gislatives, m?me, si un cadre europ?en existe, il y a beaucoup de local.

Prenons, le cas de la Belgique, un cas qui semblait d?sesp?r?, vu le fonctionnement politique, il semble, quand m?me, qu'il y a eu, certes, avec bien des contraintes et d?penses, des pays proches, une porte de sortie, presque honorable. Je dis presque honorable, car, franchement, il y a eu une sacr?e gabegie et les belges ne d?dommagerons jamais les sommes d?pens?es par leur voisins. A une autre ?poque, cela aurait pu, par exemple, leur faire perdre, la localisation du parlement europ?en ? Bruxelles. Ceci aurait permis de faire des vraies ?conomies car le double parlement, franchement ...

Si l'on regarde la situation de la Pologne, certes, elle a un voisin, pas simple, mais qui sait produire en respectant les petits, elle a r?ussi ? faire quoi ?

La r?ponse pourrait ?tre la Pologne fait ce que la Sardaigne a fait depuis 30 ans. Les probl?mes en Pologne sont donc politique et soci?taux. Il peut alors ?tre dit, que l'Europe doit donner le temps ? certains. Mais il pourrait aussi ?tre ?voqu? que les partis politiques doivent enfin acqu?rir un peu de profondeur...



Ceci, pour ?voquer, que dans un pays, comme la Chine, qui vie des crises en sant? animale de plus en plus fr?quente et avec des fr?quences de plus en plus grande, ils ont quelques probl?mes, que j'ai qualifi? de management ? r?gler. Et vu, ce qui se passe aux ?tats Unis, la situation n'est pas tr?s diff?rente...

Ce soir, nous avons eu droit ? ceci :
https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/RC-019...onne-le-monde/

De beaux documents , dans un pays, de presque inculte, pour certains sujets ( merci, l'?ducation nationale et les partis politiques) d'offrir les moyens ? tous et gratuitement de faire une mise ? niveau sur notre histoire et l'histoire des autres. Ce sont des documents de 2018.

La semaine prochaine le sujet c'est Escoffier. Je suis impatient. C'est un beau sujet, mais je me demande si l'histoire de la m?decine v?t?rinaire en Chine, ce ne serait pas plus important... Bien s?r, il faudrait aussi en faire un sur ceci:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center...and_Prevention
un truc cr?er pour maitriser les moustiques, l? ou, un Monsieur aimait chasser. Ce sont aussi les pros de la lutte contre l'ob?sit? .



Il va peut ?tre falloir, en Europe, bien r?fl?chir, car, des crises, il va y en avoir d'autres. On pourrait, peut ?tre, s'organiser pour ne pas ?tre les dindons des farces des uns et des autres ?



Ce texte est aussi ?crit car ceci me terrorise ( ceci est tr?s rare) :

https://mailchi.mp/oie.int/the-oies-...ombat-covid-19

car, si certains tombent dans le pi?ge, sugg?r?, par les am?ricains, de faire pression sur la Chine, on est tr?s mal ...



Comme, je suis trop bon: en cuisine, la lourdeur des uns et des autres, on peut supporter un moment, mais quand la coupe est pleine :

https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/082721...nomie-moderne/

Il faut faire tr?s attention ? ces gens l?, ils se causent et savent ?couter ...
 
Environmental group warns of coronavirus masks, gloves polluting oceans

by: NBC News Channel

Posted: May 26, 2020 / 05:54 PM EDT/ Updated: May 26, 2020 / 05:54 PM EDT

ANTIBES, FRANCE (NBC) – The coronavirus pandemic is having an impact worldwide — even, apparently, under the sea.

Environmentalist Laurent Lombard shot video of the seabed off the French Riviera littered with masks and gloves widely used to protect against COVID-19.

... Lombard wrote, “Knowing that more than two-billion masks have been ordered, we’ll soon have more masks than jellyfish in the Mediterranean.”

Video:
https://www.wfla.com/community/heal...of-coronavirus-masks-gloves-polluting-oceans/
 
New coronavirus losing potency, top Italian doctor says


ROME (Reuters) - The new coronavirus is losing its potency and has become much less lethal, a senior Italian doctor said on Sunday.

“In reality, the virus clinically no longer exists in Italy,” said Alberto Zangrillo, the head of the San Raffaele Hospital in Milan in the northern region of Lombardy, which has borne the brunt of Italy’s coronavirus contagion.

“The swabs that were performed over the last 10 days showed a viral load in quantitative terms that was absolutely infinitesimal compared to the ones carried out a month or two months ago,” he told RAI television.
 
MILAN
- Covid-19 "from a clinical point of view no longer exists". The San Raffaele head of Milan Alberto Zangrillo, director of intensive care, is convinced of this. Words that immediately ignited the controversy among the experts, with expressions of bewilderment and condemnation especially by the scientists who are part of the technical scientific committee.​
 
Seems a solidly grounded observation.
Obviously the many people who are studying the virus are not as convinced, but they are not in the front lines. Perhaps it would be useful to reexamine how SARS rose and fell.
As a layman, the comment by the Chinese that they needed international cooperation because they no longer had enough sick people to test the vaccine candidates seems very consistent with the perspective laid out by Dr Zangrillo.
 
the virus genetics didn't change, but maybe the envelope
which -AFAIU- is made from the host cell's wall

or it may interact with other microbes that depend on weather
or distancing, it is not well understood why some cases worsen after 2 weeks.

or more superspreading now with lower initial doses
 
"l’interdiction de vente alors ?mise de mani?re temporaire a ?t? suivie de mesures d’encadrement de l’activit? qui l’ont en fait favoris?e, et elle est devenue une industrie tr?s rentable.

Selon les chiffres rassembl?s dans un rapport de l’Acad?mie d’ing?nierie de Chine, en 2016, toutes professions associ?es et tous usages confondus, l’?levage d’animaux sauvages employait en Chine plus de 14 millions de personnes, pour un chiffre d’affaires de 520 milliards de yuans (66,9 milliards d’euros)."
https://www.courrierinternational.co...n-jeu-en-chine

Cela existe des publications des m?decins et v?t?rinaires chinois, qui ont encadr? ces productions d'une part et d'autre part, on trouve ou les donn?es F.A.O et promed sur ce sujet ?

C'est aussi lumineux, que les dossiers des m?decins et v?t?rinaires am?ricains qui ont accompagn? les ?quivalents am?ricains, un pays qui aiment disposer de tout...

https://aufildeleauenmeuse.eu/vu-le-...peu-de-channa/

"Silent Invaders" Asian Carp 2013


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPeg1tbBt0A


http://www.apms.org/japm/vol41/v41p90.pdf
 
Emily, de la guerre virologique, en oeuvre, ? cause de petites t?tes qui ne devraient plus jamais avoir aucun financement :

suite ? l'introduction de Ameiurus melas
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ameiurus_melas

avec la complicit? des "experts", car cela ne franchit pas les mers tout seul, cela a pourri la vie de bien des personnes. Et, aucun expert, m?me avec beaucoup de subvention, n'a su g?rer.

Ensuite, suite ? la r?introduction de :
Le silure

https://aufildeleauenmeuse.eu/le-silure/

le probl?me a ?t? g?r?, mais, bien s?r, sans dire les vraies raisons. je crois avoir compris qu'il s'agit d'une histoire de virus, stock? de fa?on plus ou moins s?curis?e en bien des lieux.



Morale de cette histoire : Emily , tu souhaites que l'on t'offre, vu l'importance de cette production aux Etats unis , des juv?niles de Silurus glanis europ?en, un tube ? essai , ou certains pr?l?vements congel?s ou ?


Morale ? tous les pro de la fausse compassion pour les animaux: ils sont morts, les am?ricains, dans le silence et personne n'a jamais rien dit, ce que je d?plore...
 
Kathy, en se penchant un peu sur la g?n?tique, connue de bien trop peu, et ou en l'aidant un peu de fa?on discr?te, on doit bien trouver un influenza, ou , un peu sp?cifique de la dinde de Noel ou des sauvages.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinde_de_Noël

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_(bird)

Les programmes, soit disant ONE HEALTH, qui ont ?t? initi?s, ? tord, c'est le bon moyen, pour les collecter, non ?


Pour maitriser dans un fleuve que j'aime bien, et vu son contenu, au niveau de ce truc : la carpe : un truc non d?fini ? la vente en France: la d?nomination scientifique , pour ce truc , c'est non ? ce stade :
La, ou les ? carpes ?, des intrus depuis un moment…
https://aufildeleauenmeuse.eu/la-ou-...uis-un-moment/

Pour enfin revoir les vraies, les rh?ophiles, dans le fleuve il faut certainement laisser des "touristes", etc, ...: lacher dans le fleuve, certaines japonaises, vu ce qu'elle portent ?

morale: quand on emp?che les vieux d'aller ? la p?che au bord de l'eau, en imposant un mauvais confinement d'une part, et d'autre part que l'on laisse de mauvais enseignants pr?tentieux ? souhait, faire n'importe quoi dans le cadre des f?d?rations de p?ches, ils ( ceux avec qui l'on parle au bord de l'eau) regardent un peu les causes et ce qui doit ?tre sugg?r?...
 
Gert van der Hoek said:
MILAN
- Covid-19 "from a clinical point of view no longer exists". The San Raffaele head of Milan Alberto Zangrillo, director of intensive care, is convinced of this. Words that immediately ignited the controversy among the experts, with expressions of bewilderment and condemnation especially by the scientists who are part of the technical scientific committee.​
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There's a few opinions offered below. One is that early treatment is helping. Another below is that we have more time on our hands to notice the milder cases. If the virus itself really hasn't changed, then it was a mouse that roared too loudly.

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/...-zangrillo-about-the-covid-19-virus-in-italy/
Prof Martin Hibberd, Professor of Emerging Infectious Disease, London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, said:
“One explanation for this change in observations might be because of a declining number of cases, where that has been achieved. We know that the virus can infect many (and perhaps the majority) of people without producing any obvious or serious symptoms, while even in those with clear symptoms, 80% have mild disease. During a major outbreak, those mild or inapparent cases are likely to be overlooked. However, in a situation where the numbers of severe cases are falling, there may be time to start observing people with less severe symptoms – giving the impression that the virus is changing.”
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