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Discussion Thread I - 2019-nCov (new coronavirus)

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Source: http://china.caixin.com/2020-01-21/101506887.html

Scholars recommend lowering the level of agencies that release epidemic information
January 21, 2020 20:34 Source: Caixin.com
For the regular release of information, expand the original "provincial level" to "county level and above"; for information disclosure during infectious disease outbreaks and epidemics, add to the original basis: according to the needs of the epidemic situation, the provincial, autonomous region, and municipality health authorities May authorize district, city, and county health and health authorities to release infectious epidemic information in their administrative areas in a timely manner
 
[h=1]Wuhan pneumonia patient dies: family grief: dead without dignity[/h]
[The Epoch Times, January 21, 2020] (The Epoch Times reporter Wang Xiang comprehensive report) The British "Guardian" reported on January 21 that on January 12, Mr. Huang's mother living in Wuhan was sent in for fever and cough Examination at a hospital.




At that time, a strange new virus had been reported, the infected people had similar symptoms, and hospital staff were wearing fully equipped biochemical protection suits. However, the hospital did not allow Huangmu to be tested for the mysterious virus and did not isolate her from other patients.
On the 14th, the situation of Huang Mu became worse and she fell into a state of unconsciousness for a time. A CT scan showed that her lungs were full of small white nodules.

On the evening of the 15th, Huang's brother and father saw the death of Huang's mother. Huang's mother had only 4 days from hospitalization to death.

The official cause of death subsequently given by the hospital was severe pneumonia. Two doctors privately told their families that Huang's mother might be infected with the latest mysterious virus, but they did not provide any documents to Huang's family.

Subsequently, the hospital pressured Huang's family to cremate Huang's mother immediately. The family rejected the hospital in grief and asked the hospital to provide more information about Huang's death.

In the end, the family decided to give in, but found that the funeral home staff was also wearing protective clothing, and pulled the yellow mother away, cremated and buried within a few hours, not even giving the family the last meeting time. The staff then disinfected the van they were riding in and threw away the biochemical protective suits they had worn. [h=2]Family members of pneumonia victims in Wuhan : mother died without dignity[/h]
"The mother died without any dignity and was not even included in the government's (announced deaths) list." Mr Huang, 40, said that his mother was 65 years old and had been in good health.

Mr. Huang also mentioned that he met another family in the crematorium in Wuhan, and their relatives had a similar situation, had just passed away and were buried.

Huang said he wasn't sure how his mother contracted the virus. Huang Mu has not been to the seafood market in question, and she is healthy and optimistic. "Everyone said she was a good person and always helped people." He said, "In the end, she died alone, and we didn't have a chance to say goodbye to her."

As the earliest area in which pneumonia was transmitted, Wuhan has strengthened the control of people entering and leaving Wuhan since Tuesday, requiring Wuhan's tourism team not to go out as a group, and at the same time conducting random inspections on private vehicles entering and leaving Wuhan to check whether the trunks carry live birds and wild animals. Animals etc.

According to the announcement issued by the Wuhan Municipal Commission of Health and Health on Tuesday (January 21), as of 20:00 on January 20, Wuhan has reported a total of 258 cases of pneumonitis associated with new coronavirus infection, 25 patients have been discharged from the hospital, and 6 have died. .

The report said that two new deaths were reported on the 20th.

The deceased Li Moumou, male, 66 years old, was admitted to the hospital for "intermittent cough, headache, fatigue and fever for 6 days" on January 16, 2020; dyspnea occurred on January 17, and appeared at 10:35 on January 20 Organ failure, death due to ineffective rescue. The deceased had basic diseases such as COPD, hypertension, type 2 diabetes, and chronic renal insufficiency.

The deceased was only 5 days from hospitalization to death.

The report said that the deceased Yin Moumou, female, 48 years old, became ill on December 10, 2019, developed dyspnea on December 27, and was transferred to Wuhan Jinyintan Hospital for treatment on December 31. She had severe respiratory distress upon admission, 2020 At 14:31 on January 20, multiple organ failure occurred, and the rescue died. The deceased had basic diseases such as diabetes, cerebral infarction and gallstones during his lifetime.

The deceased was 20 days from hospitalization to death. [h=2]If the hospital does not screen for the virus, the epidemic will be much higher than the official number[/h]
A new coronavirus discovered in Wuhan has spread across China and provinces are currently on high alert.

As of 24:00 on January 20th, the National Health Commission of the Communist Party of China announced that it had received 291 confirmed cases of pneumonia with new coronavirus infection in 4 provinces (regions, municipalities) in China (270 cases in Hubei Province, 5 cases in Beijing, Guangdong 14 provinces and 2 in Shanghai); 54 suspected cases (11 in Hubei, 7 in Guangdong, 3 in Sichuan, 1 in Yunnan, 7 in Shanghai, and Guangxi) 1 case in Zhuang Autonomous Region, 1 case in Shandong Province, 1 case in Jilin Province, 1 case in Anhui Province, 16 cases in Zhejiang Province, 2 cases in Jiangxi Province, 1 case in Hainan Province, 1 case in Guizhou Province, and 1 case in Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region).

But the British Guardian questioned that if Chinese hospitals do not screen for related viruses, the number of cases and deaths could be much higher than the figures cited in the official report of the Chinese Communist Party.

Another Wuhan resident posted an image of his own diagnosis of viral pneumonia on Weibo and described a long line of patients with similar symptoms late Monday night at the hospital, but none of these patients were required to be tested for coronavirus. She couldn't help asking: "Did all these people suddenly develop viral pneumonia?"

Another Weibo user complained earlier this month that his father showed symptoms of the virus but was sent out to the hospital without any screening. But then the post was deleted.

The World Health Organization (WTO) said it is considering an international public health emergency to be announced on Wednesday (22)-just like previous treatments for bird flu and Ebola virus.

China's domestic discussion of Wuhan pneumonia has expanded to everything from how to wash your hands to be safe to reminding each other not to use McDonald's self-service screens to order food.

Others say they have cancelled plans to return home for Chinese New Year. Some IT industry users have messaged that employers have notified them that they can work from home.

http://www.epochtimes.com/gb/20/1/21/n11810508.htm
 
Source: http://www.kaixian.tv/gd/2020/0122/247748.html
Citizen detained for spreading false news about pneumonia? Related person and Hu Xijin say inside information
2020-01-22 02:54:22 Source: World Wide Web

(Original title: Wuhan related person called and spoke with Hu Xijin personally!)

With the spread of new pneumonia in Wuhan, and the news that 15 medical staff in Wuhan were infected was confirmed, people think of a news released by the Wuhan Public Security Bureau through the official media on January 1 this year, which said that 8 people Because the spread of "false information" about Wuhan viral pneumonia was handled by the police according to law. Have those 8 people been detained? What is their situation now? Now that things have changed, what do you think about this?

Hu Xijin, editor-in-chief of the Global Times, said via social media on Tuesday that Wuhan had a telephone conversation with him on the matter and explained the process in detail.

The following is the full text.

Lao Hu's speech on social media was clearly noticed by the relevant parties in Wuhan and attracted their attention. On Tuesday evening, a person in Wuhan called Lao Hu and told him the inside story. He said that the Wuhan Municipal Public Security Department had invited the eight citizens to investigate at the time, and the process was very friendly and polite. Video recordings can prove these situations. He especially emphasized that none of the eight citizens was detained or punished.

The person in Wuhan also said that looking back now, the eight people said that the virus was SARS, which is not accurate, but as non-professionals, such deviations are understandable. Only under the circumstances at that time, most people did not expect that the epidemic situation would develop so severe later, and the stability of social emotions was the official priority at that time. He said that everyone is now engaged in the "Wuhan Defense War."
 
Wuhan pneumonia swept the country is "human disaster" 709 lawyer blaming system


Recently, confirmed cases of pneumonia in Wuhan have surged. Some mainland lawyers have said that this time "Wuhan pneumonia" swept the country is a human disaster, and he will write to the National Health and Medical Commission to request public information and face the problem squarely.

In the past few days, the number of confirmed cases of new-type coronavirus pneumonia in mainland China has increased from sporadic numbers to hundreds. The vast majority of cases were found in Wuhan, but these are only official figures released to the public. According to estimates by the University of Hong Kong School of Medicine, there may be more than 1,300 confirmed cases in Wuhan alone. Epidemiologists at Imperial College London earlier believed that there were more than 1,700 confirmed cases in Wuhan.

Lawyer Xie Yanyi, who was persecuted in the 709 case, has been concerned about the outbreak of "Wuhan pneumonia" recently. He believes that the official announcement of the number of infections is so different from overseas estimates that it stems from China's system.

Xie Yanyi: "Under this autocratic system, officials at all levels do not need to be responsible to ordinary people, they only need to be accountable to their superiors. Because he is only responsible to the people who are not up and down, this kind of situation of" seeing human life as a mustard "is repeated. Officials do not It is the responsibility to initiate. As long as he stands in the team, he only needs to conceal the information and suppress the truth, because the boss determines his fate and determines his future. The people have no right to vote, no right to supervision, and no accountability. "

The National Health and Medical Commission recently described that the pneumonia epidemic in Wuhan is still preventable and controllable, but Xie Yanyi said that there are signs that the severity of "Wuhan pneumonia" is far more serious than the official description.

Xie Yanyi: "In the beginning (official), it was very secretive, and it was strictly guarded against the news. Basically, it did not actively disclose valuable information. It only emphasized that" no one passed from person to person, it is only an individual case, and it is not harmful. " Public opinion maintains stability. On January 19th, the official had to release information and respond positively. It was entirely (because of the Internet) and from the media. The truth is beyond control. "

From 2002 to 2003, SARS broke out in China. According to official statistics, there were more than 4,600 cases in the country in just a few months. Xie Yanyi believes that the authorities did not learn the lessons of the year, and the situation of concealment of the epidemic was more than that of more than a decade ago.

Xie Yanyi: "The government at the time also adopted concealment and suppression in 2003. Later, the authorities realized the seriousness of the problem and took decisive measures. The mayor of Beijing was forced to step down, the minister of health was also removed, and the central and local governments established information release. Mechanism to release information immediately. Not only have they not learned the lessons of SARS, they continue to conceal and suppress the truth. There is no sense of responsibility and initiative from the local to the central government, and no strict measures for accountability and punishment. "

Xie Yanyi wrote to the National Health and Medical Commission on Monday (20th) to request full disclosure of Wuhan pneumonia-related information, including whether the epidemic has been fully assessed, and what emergency treatment plans are available from the central and local governments. Xie Yanyi said that this was done based on the health of herself and her family. Health and citizenship considerations.

Xie Yanyi: "This disaster is a real human disaster. Is the official response effective? I still doubt it. So far, there is no clear overall mechanism, which is also independent and chaotic. It could have completely eliminated the harm of the virus. In its infancy, when the first case was found in Wuhan, it should be dealt with in an open and transparent way. It also draws on the experience of the international community including the World Health Organization and allows these elites to participate in it. "




Most patients with new pneumonia in Wuhan, Hubei are receiving treatment at the local Jinyintan Hospital (Reuters phot


Recently, confirmed cases of pneumonia in Wuhan have surged. Some mainland lawyers have said that this time "Wuhan pneumonia" swept the country is a human disaster, and he will write to the National Health and Medical Commission to request public information and face the problem squarely.
In the past few days, the number of confirmed cases of new-type coronavirus pneumonia in mainland China has increased from sporadic numbers to hundreds. The vast majority of cases were found in Wuhan, but these are only official figures released to the public. According to estimates by the University of Hong Kong School of Medicine, there may be more than 1,300 confirmed cases in Wuhan alone. Epidemiologists at Imperial College London earlier believed that there were more than 1,700 confirmed cases in Wuhan.
Lawyer Xie Yanyi, who was persecuted in the 709 case, has been concerned about the outbreak of "Wuhan pneumonia" recently. He believes that the official announcement of the number of infections is so different from overseas estimates that it stems from China's system.
Xie Yanyi: "Under this autocratic system, officials at all levels do not need to be responsible to ordinary people, they only need to be accountable to their superiors. Because he is only responsible to the people who are not up and down, this kind of situation of" seeing human life as a mustard "is repeated. Officials do not It is the responsibility to initiate. As long as he stands in the team, he only needs to conceal the information and suppress the truth, because the boss determines his fate and determines his future. The people have no right to vote, no right to supervision, and no accountability. "
The National Health and Medical Commission recently described that the pneumonia epidemic in Wuhan is still preventable and controllable, but Xie Yanyi said that there are signs that the severity of "Wuhan pneumonia" is far more serious than the official description.
Xie Yanyi: "In the beginning (official), it was very secretive, and it was strictly guarded against the news. Basically, it did not actively disclose valuable information. It only emphasized that" no one passed from person to person, it is only an individual case, and it is not harmful. " Public opinion maintains stability. On January 19th, the official had to release information and respond positively. It was entirely (because of the Internet) and from the media. The truth is beyond control. "
From 2002 to 2003, SARS broke out in China. According to official statistics, there were more than 4,600 cases in the country in just a few months. Xie Yanyi believes that the authorities did not learn the lessons of the year, and the situation of concealment of the epidemic was more than that of more than a decade ago.
Xie Yanyi: "The government at the time also adopted concealment and suppression in 2003. Later, the authorities realized the seriousness of the problem and took decisive measures. The mayor of Beijing was forced to step down, the minister of health was also removed, and the central and local governments established information release. Mechanism to release information immediately. Not only have they not learned the lessons of SARS, they continue to conceal and suppress the truth. There is no sense of responsibility and initiative from the local to the central government, and no strict measures for accountability and punishment. "
Xie Yanyi wrote to the National Health and Medical Commission on Monday (20th) to request full disclosure of Wuhan pneumonia-related information, including whether the epidemic has been fully assessed, and what emergency treatment plans are available from the central and local governments. Xie Yanyi said that this was done based on the health of herself and her family. Health and citizenship considerations.
Xie Yanyi: "This disaster is a real human disaster. Is the official response effective? I still doubt it. So far, there is no clear overall mechanism, which is also independent and chaotic. It could have completely eliminated the harm of the virus. In its infancy, when the first case was found in Wuhan, it should be dealt with in an open and transparent way. It also draws on the experience of the international community including the World Health Organization and allows these elites to participate in it. "

Two citizens left Wuhan Medical Treatment Center in Hubei Province. A pneumonia patient died at the centre on January 12, 2020. (AFP)
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Politics and Law Commission warns local officials not to hide the epidemic
The Central Committee of Political Science and Law published an article on Tuesday stating that the outbreak of "Wuhan pneumonia" is menacing. Whoever benefits for himself and deliberately delays reporting and concealing it will always be nailed to the pillar of historical shame; who sees the face of politicians more than the interests of the people It is the eternal sinners of the party and the people.
The article also mentioned the SARS epidemic in 2003, saying that at the time, due to inadequate information disclosure, and late reporting and concealment, the spread of the epidemic situation greatly harmed the government's integrity and social stability. It was emphasized that only publicity can be maximized. Reducing panic and being frank is a responsible attitude. Only when the information is made public enough can it attract public attention, and preventive and control measures can be put in place in the most efficient way. Deceiving yourself will only exacerbate the epidemic and turn an originally controllable natural disaster into a man-made disaster that pays a huge price.

Reporter: Gao Feng Editor-in-Chief: Hu Lihan, Anke Net Editor: Hong Wei



https://www.rfa.org/mandarin/yataiba...020133202.html
 
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[h=4]A Brisbane man is in isolation and will undergo further tests, after presenting with symptoms of the coronavirus following a trip to China.[/h]
Queensland's chief health officer Jeneatte Young announced on Tuesday the man was being held in isolation at home as further tests are carried out, after he developed symptoms of a respiratory illness.

Earlier tests, after he returned from the Chinese city of Wuhan -- the epicentre of the virus outbreak -- and showed symptoms of the virus, proved inconclusive...."
https://10daily.com.au/news/austral...stralia-after-man-returns-from-china-20200121

Australia -

Chief Medical Officer media conference about novel coronavirus

Read the transcript of the Professor Brendan Murphy's media conference about the novel coronavirus outbreak in China, Thailand, South Korea and Japan.


Date published:
21 January 2020
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In response to this significant development over the weekend, and because Australia has significant numbers of international travellers from Wuhan and from China, we are putting in place some additional proportionate border measures. In particular, these measures relate to the three direct flights a week from Wuhan to Sydney. Each of these flights will now be met by our border security and biosecurity staff and New South Wales Health. They will be providing to all the passengers an information pamphlet in English and Mandarin, outlining the symptoms this disease might deliver and asking them to identify themselves at the border if anyone has a fever or any of the symptoms that suspect that they might have this disease. And then if they are suspected of having this condition, New South Wales Health will follow up as per our normal border security and biosecurity protocols.
...
No international travellers have yet been confirmed as having this coronavirus in Australia and we already have well-established existing biosecurity measures at the border, where airlines are required – and have been for many years – to declare any ill passengers on board and we have protocols for assessing those passengers at the border.

A number of potential passengers have been assessed by state health authorities but there have been no confirmed cases of this disease. We have the diagnostic capability in our laboratories to diagnose this condition and we are well prepared in our public health system and all of our state and territory health services have the facilities to diagnose, treat and isolate any patients who might have this suspected disease...

QUESTION: Has there been consideration at this point to expand [indistinct]… they've being screened as they come in? [Indistinct]…

BRENDAN MURPHY: ...
I think the important thing to remember is this border screening; you cannot absolutely prevent entry into the country of a disease like this. The incubation period is probably about a week, many people who are incubating will be completely A-symptomatic and without any symptoms or fever. So the purpose of borders, border measures is to identify those people that we can where there's a high risk and to ensure that people with a high risk know about it and get attention. But there is no perfect way of preventing entry into the country if this disease becomes much bigger, we need to respond to it as we always do.
...
https://www.health.gov.au/news/chief-medical-officer-media-conference-about-novel-coronavirus
 
Other than the fact that this isn't influenza, this looks more like 2009 H1N1 in terms of rate of spread and severity of imported cases than 2003 SARS. The first imported case in Toronto in 2003 died. Her son then became infected and he died. In 2009, entire schools or people came back ill and recovered in a week.

All 6 deaths so far have had some pretty severe pre-existing conditions.

How do we know this virus is more severe than, say, the four previously known human coronaviruses?
 
I visited the site for the first time in a long time today. Sorry for the hiatus, but I started a new job 18 months ago and, etc.

This is the first I had heard of the Novel Coronavirus. What struck me in a cursory reading of the stories is how uncharacteristically serious officials seem to be taking this. It seems like a change from previous viral outbreaks.
 
I visited the site for the first time in a long time today. Sorry for the hiatus, but I started a new job 18 months ago and, etc.

This is the first I had heard of the Novel Coronavirus. What struck me in a cursory reading of the stories is how uncharacteristically serious officials seem to be taking this. It seems like a change from previous viral outbreaks.

I think several countries got burned by their slow response to imported Ebola cases and they learned from that lesson.
 
I know The Sun is not the most reliable news source but I'll post this just in case it is true.
The 38-year old british man has NOT been in Chine, so IF this turn out to be the new coronavirus then it sems like it might be able to infect human to human:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10775551/brit-thailand-chinese-coronavirus/
VIRUS STRIKES [h=1]British tourist fighting for life in Thailand feared to be first western victim of mystery Chinese coronavirus[/h]
  • Andy Jehring
  • 20 Jan 2020, 0:48
  • Updated: 20 Jan 2020, 1:05

He was sick with seasonal flu + bacterial pneumonia.

The Department of Disease Control, Ministry of Public Health (MOPH), Thailand reported that the laboratory examination for a British traveler found that he was infected by influenza A virus with bacterial pneumonia, not related to the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). This patient did not go to Wuhan, China.
On January 21, 2020, Dr.Sopon Iamsirithaworn, Division of Communicable Diseases Director and Incident Commander of Emergency Operations Center (EOC) said that international news reported a 32-year-old British traveler got sick in Thailand and was rumored to have 2019-nCoV. Based on information verified by the Phuket Provincial Public Health Office on December 29, 2019, the British man was first admitted to a private hospital on Phi Phi Island, Krabi province. Laboratory examination found that this patient had an influenza virus infection with bacterial pneumonia. He was admitted to a private hospital in Phuket province on January 2, 2020. On January 5, 2020, his family requested the doctor to transfer him to be admitted to a private hospital in Bangkok. His medical condition has since improved.
Before arriving to Thailand, the patient had no history of travelling to Wuhan, China. Thus, he did not meet the criteria for a patient under investigation suspected with 2019-nCoV infection. Dr. Iamsirithawon said that the MOPH, Thailand urged the public not to panic. Thailand has been intensively enhancing surveillance and closely monitoring the situation both inside and outside the country. Many tourists are anticipated to travel to Thailand during the Chinese New Year Festival, therefore the MOPH,
Thailand has implemented surveillance and control measures to cover the following four aspects: 1) enhancing surveillance, screening travelers of direct flights from Wuhan, and placing travelers suspected with 2019-nCoV infection who arrive at the five international airports in isolation; 2) maintaining standardization of clinical management and diagnosis for patients under investigation (PUI); 3) strengthening the referral system in public and private hospitals of the PUI to isolation in negative pressure rooms; and 4) strengthening surveillance in communities popular for tourists across the country. These integrated measures can increase the ability to manage emerging infectious diseases effectively.
If it is necessary for people to visit the affected 2019-nCoV areas such as Wuhan, it is recommended that everyone protect themselves by avoiding crowded places, avoiding markets that sell carcasses or live animals, and avoiding contact with patients who have respiratory diseases. If anyone has symptoms of coughing, sneezing, panting or runny nose after arriving from an affected area, please seek medical advice at the hospital immediately and inform the healthcare provider of travel history to China for further diagnosis. For any further information, please call the DDC Hotline 1422

https://pr.moph.go.th/?url=pr/detail/2/02/137463/
 
Current status of the 2019-nCoV outbreak

The following graph shows the count of the 2019-NCoV cases since January 11, 2020, when the 41 cases from Wuhan were confirmed as a novel coronavirus. As of the 21[SUP]st[/SUP], the total number of confirmed cases exceeds 280 cases, most in Wuhan and Hubei province in China. The initial number of cases from Wuhan between the 11[SUP]th[/SUP] and the 20[SUP]th [/SUP]only shot up dramatically when reports of infected individuals were reported from other provinces in China and infected individuals arriving in other countries. This data seems to confirm that human-to-human transmission is occurring at a rapid rate in Wuhan. (data from the Hong Centre for Health Protection note: the number of cases is a logarithmic scale).

NCoV cases Jan 21 2020.jpg
 
I visited the site for the first time in a long time today. Sorry for the hiatus, but I started a new job 18 months ago and, etc.

This is the first I had heard of the Novel Coronavirus. What struck me in a cursory reading of the stories is how uncharacteristically serious officials seem to be taking this. It seems like a change from previous viral outbreaks.

I think also that a) the reports are stating air droplet transmission from coughing or sneezing and b) the growth in cases is apparently exponential. h2h transmission increasingly looks sustained. This is not like SARS where it took a superspreader; it appears more like the common cold in terms of transmission or flu... in which case containment will be difficult. Even more, current antivirals are targeted at flu and dont work here, so there is no allopathic medical intervention.. i.e the medics have no answers, and most pandemic plans center around flu where vaccines can be made. That will worry them re: population messaging, because a vaccine is a no go also. None has been developed, and this isnt like the movies where one can magically appear in weeks, or at least the seed strain for one..
 
Children were spared in SARS, too. Not clear if it's something about their immune systems and the virus, or simply that SARS was a caregivers' disease in that many people caught it taking care of sick relatives. Children are rarely involved in taking care of the sick, and are also less likely to visit hospitals were transmission occurred.

My hope that this might be a previously undiscovered common virus appears to be gone, given that the sequences of the virus are similar enough to indicate a recent jump to humans.

It seems obvious to me that this virus is basically everywhere in Wuhan. Four separate importations to Thailand? I think Thailand had something like one SARS case total in 2003. What's not clear at all is the CFR. Lower than flu? The same as seasonal flu? A little higher? Much higher? I can't even begin to imagine what the effect of such a virus on flu season would be if this is not contained. I doubt this virus would drive out any existing flu strains because it's not flu, so the burden of this would be added to whatever influenza circulates. There's not going to be a vaccine or any antivirals for this.

I can't think of a single historical example of an acute, non-flu, pandemic. If this virus is not contained, that's what we're facing.
 
[snip] I can't even begin to imagine what the effect of such a virus on flu season would be if this is not contained. I doubt this virus would drive out any existing flu strains because it's not flu, so the burden of this would be added to whatever influenza circulates. There's not going to be a vaccine or any antivirals for this.

I can't think of a single historical example of an acute, non-flu, pandemic. If this virus is not contained, that's what we're facing.

Being vaccinated for flu could make infection with corona or other viruses worse:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X19313647
"Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus"

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X18303153?via=ihub
"Among children there was an increase in the hazard of ARI caused by non-influenza respiratory pathogens post-influenza vaccination compared to unvaccinated children during the same period."
 
I think we need to start thinking laterally re treatments. If this does indeed go pandemic then beds for ARDS and white goods for intubation / respiratory assistance will rapidly vanish, so I can see a situation where essentially people will have to ride it out at home, or in makeshift isolation wards with minimal medical interventions. Not good. So, as its a coronavirus, how useful might conventional cold remedies be? I know its a stretch, but that may be all that is on the table.
 
Emily, I think vaccinating for the flu is important in order to avoid confusing the new disease with the flu. As for as the studies you mention, the risk is the higher incidence of respiratory diseases and not the severity
 
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