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Death Rates by Population UK vs US

JimO

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Here are some numbers to ponder:

Country - Population - Reported cases - Cases per million - Deaths - Deaths per Million

UK - 60,776,238 - 7,447 - 123 - 4 - 0.066
US - 308,013,761 - 37,966 - 123 - 186 - 0.60

First, if the reported cases are at all comparable between the US and UK, we currently have identical reported infection rates. This comparison assumes, of course, that reported cases represent the same number of actual cases, which is probably not supportable. Nevertheless, suffice it to say, for the sake of discussion, that we have similar infection rates. However, the CFR is 10x higher in the US, which is not likely due to under-reporting in the UK, given the recent concerns expressed by government health officials, and given how they have made their data available.

My point in this thread isn't to opine on the significantly different CFRs, but to point out the UK's proactive response, albiet their methods are in debate, and the subdued response of the CDC. The UK has predicted startling numbers in the short term and announced a major shift in their response strategy, while the CDC is still subdued, at least publicly, about what is likely to happen and the steps that are being taken to prepare. I find it hard to believe that scientists and physicians at the CDC are not preparing, rather, I believe they, for whatever reason, are holding back on announcing any plans that are being developed.

On a side note, the UK's prediction of 40 deaths per week by the end of the summer assumes their death rate won't increase. If it reaches that experienced in the US, they could have several hundred weekly deaths - sobering indeed.
 
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hi

Someone ask me if the H1N1 test is free in US? If not, does people and family refuse the test for certifiyng the cause of death? Can that cause a biais in the death count? In Canada, the test is free.

WTB
 
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Jim, thank you. That is really fascinating. If the differences in the death rate really all boil down to differences in both government response and public awareness, then that truly paints an alarming picture of what may be in store for us here in the U.S.

I've noticed in the past 2 weeks a number of local governments in New York state (NYC, Syracuse, and Rochester) are reporting that local ILI rates are decreasing. So how is it that the U.K., with their much lower CFR, is predicting 40 deaths per day by the end of the summer? Assuming we are all talking about the same virus here, either they are about to experience a significant decrease in new infections, or else our reports of decreasing illness in portions of the U.S. are grossly inaccurate.
 
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This article reported some death rates by country:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life...r-plan-of-attack-against-h1n1/article1203547/

"Alan Davidson, program co-ordinator of health studies at the University of British Columbia, Okanagan in Kelowna, B.C., made the point eloquently in a recent letter published in The Globe and Mail.

There are, he noted, 20 cases of H1N1 per 100,000 population in Canada. By comparison, the rate per 100,000 is 7.1 in Mexico, 7.1 in the United States and 4.6 in Britain. The only country that comes close to Canada is Australia, with 13 cases per 100,000."
 
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use ILI-data instead to estimate how many had been infected
in USA and UK
 
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The difference in CFR between the U.K. and the U.S. is probably largely because the U.S. is ahead of the U.K. by a month or so, and there is a considerable lag between onset of illness and death.
 
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I agree with GS. Because there is only sentinel testing (and severe case testing) going on just about everywhere, we can only estimate. The actual case rate will be much higher and difficult to quantify.

If you want to add New Zealands sorry state of affairs: we have
Population 4 million Confirmed cases 945 Deaths 3.

Perhaps this is what a lack of sunshine does!
 
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Australia population 21.8 million 10 Deaths
National breakdown of hospitalisations: There are currently 3 in the ACT, 22 in NSW, 12 in the NT, 6 in Qld, 4 in SA, 1 in Tas, 42 in Victoria and 3 in WA.

ICU admissions: Of the 24 people currently in Intensive Care Units, 15 of these are in Victoria; 4 in NSW, 3 in Qld and 2 in SA

The total number of hospitalisations in Australia since H1N1 Influenza 09 was identified is 473.
(Just for the record)

Sorry Somebodyououtthere (which I think is the funniest name by the way) I don't have that info but I think it is a very valid question and will do some local digging around. Sally probably knows without even having to look - I will pm her.
 
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Another reason for the disparity may be because UK has universal heath care while the US does not. People without health insurance are less likely to seek medical attention unless/until they are in bad shape.
 
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two principal sources of uncertainty critically affect severity estimates. The proportion of severe cases is overestimated in settings where many mild cases are not reported or tested, a situation that is becoming more common as public health officials become unable to test a large fraction of suspected cases. In contrast, severity estimates are biased downward when they are calculated as simple ratios of numbers of deaths to numbers of cases, because there is a delay between the onset of illness and death.
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/NEJMp0904380
 
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From: http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114000
New death brings to five people killed by influenza A in Uruguay
In addition, another five patients in intensive care and 132 inmates with symptoms of influenza A, of which 46 have already been confirmed as carriers of the virus. Among them, 12 children under 5 years
http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113839

Uruguay seems to have a disproportionate problem.

Oh - and sorry - I know these posts don't relate exactly to the title of the thread but I thought we should cast our net a little wider. If you want I can start a new global thread and move these posts. Regards Kiwi
 
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