Deadly bird flu strain found in Germany

[gsgs]

Re: Deadly bird flu strain found in Germany

well , it's more than 99%.
They should know what they are talking about
and the lime tree man supposedly had consulted the
spooner institute

 

[HenryN]

Re: Deadly bird flu strain found in Germany

well , it's more than 99%.
They should know what they are talking about
and the lime tree man supposedly had consulted the
spooner institute

Clade 2.2.2.2 was in Germany, Italy, Czech Republic, Slovenia, and Ukraine. All were in wild birds and the well above 99% homology was NOT due to imports.

Turkeys infecting wild birds is just another fairy tale.

 

[Theresa42]

Re: Deadly bird flu strain found in Germany

Hat-tip, FrenchieGirl!

REGULAR PRESS BRIEFING BY THE INFORMATION SERVICE
26 June 2007

Marie Heuz?, the Director of the United Nations Information Service in Geneva, chaired the briefing which was also attended by Spokespersons for the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, the World Health Organization, the World Food Programme, the UN Refugee Agency, the United Nations Children?s Fund and the International Organization for Migration.

(...)

Fadela Chaib of the World Health Organization, asked why WHO had not spoken about the reported cases of H5N1 in Germany, said this was because these were cases of the virus being found in wild birds in Germany; they were not human cases and WHO only dealt with human cases of Avian Influenza. WHO was in contact with the Food and Agriculture Organization in Paris to evaluate the situation. There was a meeting of the Avian Influenza group at WHO this morning [June 26] and they had decided that there was no change in the risk assessment for Germany.

http://www.unog.ch/80256EDD006B9C2E/(httpNewsByYear_en)/E607D76CA86AF5CEC1257305004F7C92?OpenDocument

 

[Gert van der Hoek]

Re: Deadly bird flu strain found in Germany

Scientists say wild birds probably spread Europe bird flu

(DPA)

28 June 2007

RIEMS, Germany - German scientists confirmed Thursday that the bird-flu virus found last week in southern Germany had a common source with a virus detected this month in Czech poultry and said it was probably spread by a wild bird.

Elke Reinking, a spokeswoman for the Freidrich Loeffler animal health institute (FLI) on the Baltic island of Riems, said, ?We assume infected wild birds infected both the Czech poultry and the water fowl in Germany.?

She said it would be ?highly unusual? for meat exported from the Czech poultry farm to have brought the virus across the border, as suggested earlier by German agriculture officials.

About a dozen swans in Germany have been found dead from H5N1, an avian influenza virus which experts fear will transmute into human influenza and cause major worldwide loss of life.

Reinking said an analysis of the viral DNA showed a 99.2-per-cent match between the check outbreak and the virus in dead swans in the German city of Nuremberg. Both samples were also very similar to viral DNA collected in Kuwait and sequenced in Weybridge, Britain.

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/Display...ne/theworld_June864.xml&section=theworld&col=

 

[HenryN]

Re: Deadly bird flu strain found in Germany

Commentary at

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/06280701/H5N1_Czech_Kuwait_Germany.html

 

[HenryN]

Re: Deadly bird flu strain found in Germany

well , it's more than 99%.
They should know what they are talking about
and the lime tree man supposedly had consulted the
spooner institute

The 99.2% identity between Nurenberg and Czech turkeys and the 99.5% identity between Czech turkeys and Kuwait are both quite different than 99.94% between Hungary and UK.

The recent cases are all linked to wild birds, but also are independent introductions.

 

[gsgs]

Re: Deadly bird flu strain found in Germany

yes, if they are related they are not close enough to construct
a direct connection.
Saying the virus came from Czechia as some German news-sources do
seems quite far fetched. Maybe they like the idea...

With 99.2% it could as well have come from elsewhere.

Show us the sequences !

 

[HenryN]

Re: Deadly bird flu strain found in Germany

Translation:
Island Riems, 28 June 2007. The comparison of parts of the heiress formation of the H5N1 viruses from a peak swan found dead in Nuernberg and a Truthahnbestand in Boehmen, accomplished at Friedrich Loeffler Friedrich-Loeffler-Institut in close co-operation with the European Union reference laboratory for aviaere influenza in Weybridge (UK), resulted in a very large similarity of 99,2 per cent. The degree at agreement refers to of common, so far not identified origin both viruses. Whether there is a direct connection between the outbreaks in the Czech republic and in Bavaria, is not so far well-known. The heiress formation of viruses from the Saxonian outbreak area is examined at present. The decoded gene sequences exhibit a particularly large similarity to bird flu viruses of the type H5N1 Asia, which circulates at present in the middle east.
Kontakt
Elke Reinking
Presse- und ?ffentlichkeitsarbeit
Telefon 03 83 51 ? 72 44
<ABBR title=Telefax>Fax</ABBR> 03 83 51 ? 72 26
E-Mail elke.reinking@fli.bund.de

 

[HenryN]

Re: Deadly bird flu strain found in Germany

AVIAN INFLUENZA (116): GERMANY (BAVARIA), OIE
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Date: Thu 28 Jun 2007
Source: OIE, WAHID (World Animal Health Information Database), Disease
Information 2007; 20(26) [edited]
<http://www.oie.int/wahid-prod/public.php?page=weekly_report_index&admin=0>


Highly pathogenic avian influenza, Germany
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Information received on (and dated) 26 Jun 2007 from Mr Werner Zwingmann,
Ministerialdirigent, "Leiter der Unterabteilung Tiergesundheit und
Lebensmittelhygiene", Bundesministerium fuer Ernaehrung, Landwirtschaft und
Verbraucherschutz (BMELV) [Federal Ministry of Food, Agriculture, and
Consumer Protection], Bonn, Germany

Summary
Report type: immediate notification
Start date: 24 Jun 2007
Date of confirmation of event: 24 Jun 2007
Date submitted to OIE: 26 Jun 2007
Reason for notification: reoccurrence of a listed disease
Date of previous occurrence: 3 Aug 2006
Manifestation of disease: clinical disease
Causal agent: highly pathogenic avian influenza virus, serotype H5N1
Nature of diagnosis: laboratory (advanced), necropsy
Report pertains to: defined zone within the country

New outbreaks
Outbreak 1 (09564A070007) Nuremberg 5, Nuremberg, Nuremberg, Bavaria
Date of start of outbreak: 25 Jun 2007
Outbreak status: continuing (or date resolved not submitted)
Epidemiological unit: not applicable
Affected animals
Species: wild species
Susceptible: --
Cases: 1
Deaths: 1
Destroyed: 0
Slaughtered: 0

Outbreak 2 (09564A070004) Nuremberg 3, Nuremberg, Nuremberg, Bavaria
Date of start of outbreak: 24 Jun 2007
Outbreak status: continuing (or date resolved not submitted)
Epidemiological unit: not applicable
Affected animals
Species: wild species
Susceptible: --
Cases 1
Deaths: 1
Destroyed: 0
Slaughtered: 0

Outbreak 3 (09564A070003) Nuremberg 2, Nuremberg, Nuremberg, Bavaria
Date of start of outbreak: 24 Jun 2007
Outbreak status: continuing (or date resolved not submitted)
Epidemiological unit: not applicable
Affected animals
Species: wild species
Susceptible: --
Cases 1
Deaths: 1
Destroyed: 0
Slaughtered: 0

Outbreak 4 (09564A070006) Nuremberg 4, Nuremberg, Nuremberg, Bavaria
Date of start of outbreak: 25 Jun 2007
Outbreak status: continuing (or date resolved not submitted)
Epidemiological unit: not applicable
Affected animals
Species: wild species
Susceptible: --
Cases 1
Deaths: 1
Destroyed: 0
Slaughtered: 0

Outbreak 5 (09564A070005) Nuremberg 1, Nuremberg, Nuremberg, Bavaria
Date of start of outbreak: 24 Jun 2007
Outbreak status: continuing (or date resolved not submitted)
Epidemiological unit: not applicable
Affected animals
Species: wild species
Susceptible: --
Cases 1
Deaths: 1
Destroyed: 0
Slaughtered: 0

Outbreak 6 (09564A070008) Nuremberg 6, Nuremberg, Nuremberg, Bavaria
Date of start of outbreak: 25 Jun 2007
Outbreak status: continuing (or date resolved not submitted)
Epidemiological unit: not applicable
Affected animals
Species: wild species
Susceptible: --
Cases 1
Deaths: 1
Destroyed: 0
Slaughtered: 0

Summary of outbreaks
Total outbreaks: 6
Total animals affected
Species: wild species
Susceptible: --
Cases: 6
Deaths: 6
Destroyed: 0
Slaughtered: 0
Outbreak statistics
Species: wild species
Apparent morbidity rate: --
Apparent mortality rate: --
Apparent case fatality rate: 100 per cent
Proportion susceptible removed*: --
* Removed from the susceptible population either through death,
destruction, or slaughter

Epidemiology
Source of infection: unknown or inconclusive

Epidemiological comments
Affected birds: swans and ducks
Movement control is applied in the restriction zones as well as
disinfection and sensitization of staff in poultry holdings in the
restricted zones and reinforcement of wild birds monitoring.

Laboratory name and type: Friedrich-Loeffler-Institut (National laboratory)
Species: wild species
Test: polymerase chain reaction (PCR)
Test date: 25 Jun 2007
Result: positive

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[All 6 birds (swans and ducks) were from Nuremberg. We have reports, cited
below, of a 2nd outbreak 180 km (about 112 mi) away. For a map of the
outbreak, please see the full OIE report referenced above.

We also know it is similar to the Qinghai strain previously found in wild
birds in Europe and other places. It is time to consider 2 very important
questions:
- what is the exact nature of the connection between the 2 sites in terms
of the chronology of events? and
- where did the virus reemerge from, since the last outbreak in Germany was
in August 2006? - Mod.PC]

[see also:
Avian influenza (113): Germany (Bavaria, Saxony) 20070627.2068
Avian influenza (111): Germany (Bavaria), wild birds 20070626.2055
Avian influenza (109): Germany (Bavaria), wild birds 20070624.2041
Avian influenza (108): Germany (Bavaria), wild birds 20070624.2040
2006
---
Avian influenza (174) - Viet Nam, Germany, wild birds: corr. 20060807.2213
Avian influenza - worldwide (82): Germany, OIE 20060407.1044]

................pc/mj/sh

 

[HenryN]

Re: Deadly bird flu strain found in Germany

well , it's more than 99%.
They should know what they are talking about
and the lime tree man supposedly had consulted the
spooner institute

For the subclades last year, the identity between 2.2.2.1 and 2.2.2.2 was 99.0%, 2.2.2.1 and 2.2.2.3 was 99.3%, 2.2.2.2 and 2.2.2.3 was 99.4%.

The numbers this year were Nuremberg to Czech - 99.2% and Czech to Kuwait - 99.5%. Thus, these numbers support independent introductions of distinct sub-clades.

 

[gsgs]

Re: Deadly bird flu strain found in Germany

Moscow was quite different this year, farthest away from original Qinghai so far. Hungary was also pretty much different to anything seen before.
It walks away from original Qinghai, about 0.4% per year in average.

 

[HenryN]

Re: Deadly bird flu strain found in Germany

Moscow was quite different this year, farthest away from original Qinghai so far. Hungary was also pretty much different to anything seen before.
It walks away from original Qinghai, about 0.4% per year in average.

The point is the isolates from Nuremberg, Czech turkeys, and Kuwait show differences with each other consitent with independent introductions. They all come from wild birds, but they are not like the relationship between Hungary and the UK, where the identity was 99.96%. There is a big diffefrence between 99.96% and 99.20%. One repsents 1-2 nucleotide changes, while the other is 12-13 nucleotide changes (the ministry of health in Germany is trying to say all of the wild birds were infected by game bird trade, which is utter nonsense).

 

[gsgs]

Re: Deadly bird flu strain found in Germany

http://www.pr-inside.com/de/bayerische-vogelgrippe-ueberwachu-r162828.htm

the running duck keepers enter the discussion !
They correctly assume that high homology
indicates poultry trade. They just fail to recognize that the homology
is not as high as Reinking's formulation seemed to indicate.


babelfish translation:
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Role of the trade during the spreading of the bird flu critically light up Bavarian bird flu monitoring goes into the wrong direction The virus travels also (PR inside.com 28.06.2007 21:54:48) - on lack of understanding under poultry holding a today's expression from the national office for health and food security (LGL) in attaining is pushed in connection with the recent case of bird flu in Nuernberg. To expressions by E-Mail recommend sound Friedrich Loeffler Institut gives it one over 99% agreement between the bird flu virus from Nuernberg and the exciter, which were determined recently with a turkey-farm in Czechia. The fact that the found viruses are almost identical, is to support the thesis according to national office the fact that H5N1 was spread over
wild birds and not over trade relations why in Bavaria increases living wild birds now on the bird flu virus H5N1 to be tested is. The opposite is however correctly, like that Bruno Stubenrauch, president of the central association of European run duck owners ZEL. On the one hand take place at this season no bird course between Bavaria and Czechia, on the other hand the turkeys in closed breed stables, gotten sick in Czechia, would have been held. Therefore not the role of the wild birds, but those of the trade must be lit up during the spreading of the bird flu critically. Prayer-millful speaking of the bird course hypothesis is counter productive. Already months ago business connections between a poultry farm in England, concerned by H5N1, and a poultry farm in Hungary had been uncovered, where it had given short time before an outbreak. Contact information: Central association of European run duck owners ZEL Contact person: Bruno Stubenrauch president E-Mail: E-Mail Web: http://www.zel eu.de Author: Bruno room smoke email Web: http://www.zel eu.de Explanation: The author insures that published contents in this press release correspond to the truth and are subject legal copyrights

 

[HenryN]

Re: Deadly bird flu strain found in Germany

http://www.pr-inside.com/de/bayerische-vogelgrippe-ueberwachu-r162828.htm

the running duck keepers enter the discussion !
They correctly assume that high homology
indicates poultry trade. They just fail to recognize that the homology
is not as high as Reinking's formulation seemed to indicate.


babelfish translation:
------------------------------------------------------------

Role of the trade during the spreading of the bird flu critically light up Bavarian bird flu monitoring goes into the wrong direction The virus travels also (PR inside.com 28.06.2007 21:54:48) - on lack of understanding under poultry holding a today's expression from the national office for health and food security (LGL) in attaining is pushed in connection with the recent case of bird flu in Nuernberg. To expressions by E-Mail recommend sound Friedrich Loeffler Institut gives it one over 99% agreement between the bird flu virus from Nuernberg and the exciter, which were determined recently with a turkey-farm in Czechia. The fact that the found viruses are almost identical, is to support the thesis according to national office the fact that H5N1 was spread over
wild birds and not over trade relations why in Bavaria increases living wild birds now on the bird flu virus H5N1 to be tested is. The opposite is however correctly, like that Bruno Stubenrauch, president of the central association of European run duck owners ZEL. On the one hand take place at this season no bird course between Bavaria and Czechia, on the other hand the turkeys in closed breed stables, gotten sick in Czechia, would have been held. Therefore not the role of the wild birds, but those of the trade must be lit up during the spreading of the bird flu critically. Prayer-millful speaking of the bird course hypothesis is counter productive. Already months ago business connections between a poultry farm in England, concerned by H5N1, and a poultry farm in Hungary had been uncovered, where it had given short time before an outbreak. Contact information: Central association of European run duck owners ZEL Contact person: Bruno Stubenrauch president E-Mail: E-Mail Web: http://www.zel eu.de Author: Bruno room smoke email Web: http://www.zel eu.de Explanation: The author insures that published contents in this press release correspond to the truth and are subject legal copyrights

Yes, they need to get above 99.9%. The real numbers however, indicate independent introductions. It's just more trade nonsense. The only example of likely trade, reported to date, is Hungary and the UK (99.96% identity).

 

[Ganseerpel]

Re: Deadly bird flu strain found in Germany

An imho important message comes from officials of the health administration of the state of Bavaria. According to a spokesman in Erlangen, testing in living birds will not start until monday. Up to now all tests have been performed exclusively on perished birds, and predators like foxes and martens.

This raises further doubts on the reliability of the current monitoring strategy. Even in affected outbreak areas there have been no reports on positive results.

This introduces several questions:

According to Mettenleitner since 2006 roughly 19000 tests have been performed. If we assume ca 180 Mio birds in Germany this doesn`t seem to be much. In other words:
1. are the surveillance strategies
2. the current testproceedures
adequate (sample algorithms, qualified staff, scientific back up etc) ?

3. To what extent is environmental sampling integrated ?

The best powered study is Constance, a joint multi-national, multidisciplinary research programme, focused on the species of wild birds found in the area of Lake Constance, the climate in this area and the any Influenza A virus serotypes isolated in 2006/2007.

 

[gsgs]

Re: Deadly bird flu strain found in Germany

they should test life ducks and geese on the lakes where
they found dead swans, IMO

 

[Ganseerpel]

Re: Deadly bird flu strain found in Germany

That is what they are starting to do. But it isn`t just doing it. this has to be preparated, requires trained stuff etc. In the Constance programme they had problems with the weirs and had not a sufficient number of samples.

I don't know if water testing is implemented.

 

[deadandalive]

Re: Deadly bird flu strain found in Germany

they should test life ducks and geese on the lakes where
they found dead swans, IMO

GOOD IDEA !!! but if h5n1 was found to be endemic in germany it would devistate the poultry industry,this may be why seqencies are kept secret in most afluent countries,only when a country needs money and assistance are they open with their seqences.politics is not a honesty contest!

 

[gsgs]

Re: Deadly bird flu strain found in Germany

if H5N1 is endemic in Germany, they won't succeed to keep it secret for long anyway.

 

[HenryN]

Re: Deadly bird flu strain found in Germany

GOOD IDEA !!! but if h5n1 was found to be endemic in germany it would devistate the poultry industry,this may be why seqencies are kept secret in most afluent countries,only when a country needs money and assistance are they open with their seqences.politics is not a honesty contest!

Western Europe has never reported H5N1 in live wild birds. Only positives so far ar Russia and Egypt.