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Dead birds don't fly...

Theresa42

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...but they do float, apparently! :rolleyes:

UK - Swan 'may have died outside UK'
11 April 2006

A dead swan found in Fife which tested positive for the deadly H5N1 strain of bird flu may not have died in the UK, Whitehall sources have told the BBC.

The "working hypothesis" is the bird could have died in another country and been washed up on the Scottish coast.

Ministers are considering bringing in targets to regulate the time between reporting a dead bird and tests being completed, according to the sources.

No birds have tested positive for H5N1 since the swan was found last week.

Early test results suggested the swan found at Cellardyke had an almost identical virus to birds found in Germany.

The RSPB is hopeful that this, combined with the lack of any further cases, means the swan could be a "one-off".

The society's spokesman Andre Farrar said: "If this individual bird washed up from outside the UK... that does favour the theory that this is a one-off.

"It does build on the fact that we've seen no more positive results in the few days after the discovery of the first swan."

The H5N1 virus cannot pass easily from one person to another and therefore currently does not pose a large-scale threat to humans.

But experts fear the virus could gain this ability if it mutates. They say it could trigger a flu pandemic in its new form, potentially putting millions of human lives at risk.

Microbiologist Professor Hugh Pennington said it was "always a possibility" the bird was infected near the German island of Ruegen, which saw an outbreak of the disease last month.

"The optimists would like it to have been infected in Ruegen and then washed by currents to Britain," he told Radio 4's Today programme.

He said the pessimistic view was that the swan caught the virus locally, meaning birds would still have the disease but not been detected.

He added that bird flu would not be "a foot-and-mouth situation - the virus is not going to go on the rampage".

Experts are still testing birds found near Cellardyke, and a UK helpline has had thousands of reports of dead birds.

A six-mile (10km) surveillance zone and 1.8 mile (3km) protection zone in place around Cellardyke will remain for at least 30 days from the day the swan was found.

A wild bird risk area has also been established which includes 175 registered poultry premises, containing 3.1 million birds, 260,000 of which are free-range.

Over 8,000 calls have been made to the authorities in the last week by members of the public reporting dead birds.
Officials say 1,100 birds have been tested since February.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4898398.stm
 
Re: Dead birds don't fly...

Yes, the bird died in Turkey in February, 2005, and washed out through the Mediterranean Sea and caught a lucky back current, against the prevailing world ocean circulation (out of the arctic, down the western european coast, out towards the azores, into the caribbean, up the US east coast, and back into the arctic. What a lucky fluke of nature. Obviously brought to us by Doctor (ahem, doctor of bulls...tology) Williams of HK.
 
Re: Dead birds don't fly...

The United Kingdom, the Empire where the Sun does not go down but not the bird tough.

Sorry, from the Conquered Lander of First Nations and of New France.
 
Re: Dead birds don't fly...

Any respect I had for the UK is beginning to go out the window.

It seems that many scientists of the world are indifferent to the fact that the governments of the world are throwing mud all over logic and reason.

If you do not hold the line than who will?
 
Re: Dead birds don't fly...

GaudiaRay said:
Yes, the bird died in Turkey in February, 2005, and washed out through the Mediterranean Sea and caught a lucky back current, against the prevailing world ocean circulation (out of the arctic, down the western european coast, out towards the azores, into the caribbean, up the US east coast, and back into the arctic. What a lucky fluke of nature. Obviously brought to us by Doctor (ahem, doctor of bulls...tology) Williams of HK.

GaudiaRay, :iagree:

How do you explain the increase in H5N1 patients being hospitalized while you were in Egypt?
 
Re: Dead birds don't fly...

DB said:
Any respect I had for the UK is beginning to go out the window.

It seems that many scientists of the world are indifferent to the fact that the governments of the world are throwing mud all over logic and reason.

If you do not hold the line than who will?
Whilst it may be true that the swan died in Scandinavia and drifted accross the North Sea (though unlikely), the fact that it was a whooper swan which are migratory, calls into question what we already know to be true. First whooper swans winter in the UK and Ireland, they don't arrive in the Spring. Second, if the whooper swan brought H5N1 with it (possible) then (i) how long was it here before it died, and (ii) how many others are there undetected (whooper swans being know carriers)? Conversly, if it really did arrive from elsewhere by some freak circumstance, then was it really alone, when did it arrive, and from where?

The UK has some explaining to do. I maintain (and it's a personal theory) that H5N1 arrived in the UK in Autumn 2005. The government says not. History will/may tell who is right.

Whatever is true, something doesn't smell right with the notion that this whooper swan is a one-off. If the government is found not to be telling the truth, and nothing but the truth, then all credibility will be gone, and credibility in your leadership is vital in a time of crisis. Finding the truth isn't just important for public health, it's also important that the government be believed. I feel an editorial coming on...
 
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