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Congress divided over whether to get swine flu vaccine

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By Jordy Yager -10/23/09 02:39 PM ET

Democratic and Republican lawmakers cannot agree on whether to get the swine flu vaccine even after this week’s first reported case of a member of Congress catching the illness.

Some, like Minority Leader John Boehner (Ohio), are choosing not to get vaccinated, at least not immediately. But others, like Rep. Nydia Velazquez (D-N.Y.), want it but can’t get it; she tried, but is not among the vulnerable categories that have first call on limited supplies.



The debate on Capitol Hill mirrors one taking place all across the country, as a new Washington Post/ABC News poll shows a majority of Americans increasingly worried that they or a member of their family will contract the H1N1 virus but also that six in 10 are not planning to get the vaccine.

The Office of the Attending Physician (OAP) began vaccinating the most vulnerable members and staffers this week as instances of swine flu spread throughout the campus from House pages to lawmakers. Members are not given preferential treatment.

Rep. Greg Walden (R-Ore.) this week was the first lawmaker to openly admit to having swine flu. His announcement came as 10 House pages, who have daily interaction with members, also reported having flu-like symptoms.

That hasn’t rattled Boehner, who said he wasn’t too concerned about getting vaccinated and that neither he nor his family had shown any symptoms.

“I hadn’t thought about it,” he said in an interview.

But Velazquez paid a visit to the OAP on Wednesday to see when she would be eligible to receive the vaccination. The OAP told her that hers was not “a target group yet,” she said, and did not give her a firm timeline for when she could get vaccinated but said that it would let her know.

Production of the vaccine has lagged behind goals laid out earlier in the year by federal officials, with only 15 million doses available to date. Health officials hope to have 50 million by the middle of November and 150 million by December.

In the meantime, Capitol Hill doctors are following Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guidelines by limiting their doses to pregnant women, children under 5, health professionals and people with pre-existing medical conditions.

While Walden is the first official member to contract the virus, Rep. Gene Taylor (D-Miss.) suspects he may have already had the swine flu.

Taylor said for several weeks last month he suffered from all the symptoms — fever, low energy and a bad cough. He hopes that by getting sick once already this season, he will be in the clear for the rest of the year.

Based on that, Taylor does not plan to get vaccinated.

“There were times when I thought I was coughing up a lung,” Taylor said. “But the biggest thing was just having no energy. I’m hoping that now that I’ve had it once that I won’t be getting it again.”

Shortly after the U.S. began to report instances of people infected with the swine flu in the spring, the office of the Architect of the Capitol (AoC) oversaw the installation of nearly 400 hand sanitizer stations throughout the Capitol complex to “prevent the spread of germs.” It is not planning to buy any more.

“We continue to assess the need for additional hand sanitizing stations, and maintain those now in service, but are not planning to purchase large quantities of new stations at this time,” said Eva Malecki, spokeswoman for the office of the AoC.

Rep. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) said he hasn’t taken too many precautions to getting the virus, other than the occasional squirt of hand sanitizer.

“I pay a little more attention to those machines as I go by them, but other than that, no,” he said, adding that he wasn’t planning on getting vaccinated.

“I’m not fearful of vaccinations or anything, but probably not,” he said.

House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) said he got the seasonal flu shot but was not too concerned about getting the H1N1 vaccine. He said he was feeling poorly recently and was slightly concerned that it could be flu-related, but his doctor said it was just a bad cold.

Some members are concerned about their children, who fall into one of the CDC’s target groups.

Rep. Kevin Brady’s (R-Texas) wife had their two children, who are both in elementary school, vaccinated. And while he has not gotten the vaccination, he said he plans to.

Among other guidelines, the CDC advises that people not use their hands to cover a sneeze. People tend to touch things afterward but prior to washing their hands, and the virus is spread easily that way. Instead, people are instructed to sneeze into their arm.

But Brady’s not too sure that he’ll be able to abide by those guidelines.
“I just heard about that, you’re supposed to sneeze into your arm. I’m not going to break that habit,” he said with a chuckle.

Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas) has also been trying to break some of his less-than-hygienic habits.

“One thing I’ve been trying to be very careful of is putting my hands close to my face,” he said. “It’s a bad habit that’s tough to break.”

Cuellar said he’s been extra vigilant with his wife and two young girls to get them to wash their hands more than usual. He also said he has not gotten vaccinated but is planning to.

Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger (D-Md.) said he’s also been advocating to everyone to wash their hands as much as possible, especially his colleagues who, as public figures, shake the hands of a lot of people every month.

“My doctor told me years ago, if you shake so many hands, wash your hands. But other than that I’m not doing a whole lot. I’m still flying on airplanes,” he said, adding that he hasn’t started shaking hands any less than usual.

Rep. John Boccieri (D-Ohio) said he knows people back in his district who have gotten the virus but that he’s still got a clean bill of health. He’s also still got his sense of humor.

Asked what precautions he’s taken to remain healthy, the freshman said, “just washing my hands. Oh, and I stopped sneezing on people.”
:tiphat:http://thehill.com/homenews/house/64551-congress-divided-over-swine-flu-vaccine
 
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Re: Congress divided over whether to get swine flu vaccine

What message are these lawmakers sending to the general population? If these bright, articulate, distinguished members of society can't decide whether to take the flushot, heaven help everyone else!
 
Re: Congress divided over whether to get swine flu vaccine

Many lawmakers are old enough that they may fall into the "older people are less likely to be infected" group, so they may feel safer.

However, if they knew the actual CFR for that same low-AR group, they might change their minds.

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Re: Congress divided over whether to get swine flu vaccine

Apparently we are having the same problem with politicians in Canada. These politicians, whose mandate is to serve the people, need to consider the effect this is having on the population as a whole. They should be setting an example for the rest of us. It, more than likely, will help save lives.
 
Re: Congress divided over whether to get swine flu vaccine

:magnify:Our own president should be on nationwide tv getin his H1N1 shot. Where is that??:confused:
 
Re: Congress divided over whether to get swine flu vaccine

:magnify:Our own president should be on nationwide tv getin his H1N1 shot. Where is that??:confused:
They reported he did get his seasonal vaccination, but will wait in line until his "risk group" is eligible.

OCTOBER 20, 2009, 9:41 P.M. ET.
Obama Gets Seasonal Flu Shot

Associated Press
WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama has gotten a seasonal flu shot.

An administration official says Mr. Obama received the shot Tuesday afternoon. Other members of the Obama family had already been vaccinated.

No word on a swine flu shot for the president.

Mr. Obama previously has said he'd wait his turn before lining up to be vaccinated against the new H1N1 strain of flu. Children, young adults, pregnant women and health care workers are urged to be among the first to get the H1N1 vaccine.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704597704574486093564533298.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

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Re: Congress divided over whether to get swine flu vaccine

I don't have a problem with Congress waiting to take the H1N1 vaccine, especially if they are older and not in high priority groups otherwise.

I think we would be having a very different discussion if the articles were describing Congress all being vaccinated before anyone else.
 
Re: Congress divided over whether to get swine flu vaccine

I don't have a problem with them waiting their turn either. I think the confusion around whether they are going to take the H1N1 shot at all is disconcerting to many people.
 
Re: Congress divided over whether to get swine flu vaccine

Even if not in the risk group, some officials would do better to set an example, before someone says look:magnify: they are afraid of it too.:smartass: Maybe counteract the limbaughs and farrakans:D
 
Re: Congress divided over whether to get swine flu vaccine

......... Maybe counteract the limbaughs and farrakans:D

Definately. I couldn't believe what Farrakan said in Memphis. Just think of all the avoidable misery and blood he'll have on his hands. :(

Congress SHOULD set an example by publicly stating their personal support for the program, followed by getting a vaccine when it's available for their risk group.

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Re: Congress divided over whether to get swine flu vaccine

I don't think Congress or Obama should make personal health care decisions based upon politics. They retain all their human rights when elected and these 'games' can backfire, too.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article2641749.ece
October 12, 2007
Daughter of John Gummer?s friend dies from human form of 'mad cow' disease

"The daughter of a close friend of John Gummer, who famously tried to feed his own child a burger to prove that beef was safe, has died from the human form of mad cow disease.

Elizabeth Smith, whose funeral is due to be held today, died from variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD) last week at the age of 23. Her parents, Roger and Molly Smith, said that they found out she had the disease on her 21st birthday.

Mr Gummer, who was Agriculture Minister during the first outbreak of BSE, was pilloried in 1990 for trying to feed his daughter, Cordelia, a burger in front of television cameras. She shrank away from the burger, but he took a large bite himself, pronouncing it ?absolutely delicious?. The link between eating beef and vCJD was confirmed six years later...."


Hopefully our elected officials are wise enough not to engage in showmanship like that. To me that would be a bad example. Basic human rights are non-partisan.
 
Re: Congress divided over whether to get swine flu vaccine

I don't think Congress or Obama should make personal health care decisions based upon politics. They retain all their human rights when elected and these 'games' can backfire, too.

You are correct. They should not make health care decisions based upon politics. They should make their decisions based on the best available scientific evidence. They owe it to the people they represent.
 
Re: Congress divided over whether to get swine flu vaccine

I don't think Congress or Obama should make personal health care decisions based upon politics. They retain all their human rights when elected and these 'games' can backfire, too.

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Hopefully our elected officials are wise enough not to engage in showmanship like that. To me that would be a bad example. Basic human rights are non-partisan.

I agree. Also, I think the decisions made by health care workers carry much more weight than whether politicians are vaccinated.
 
Re: Congress divided over whether to get swine flu vaccine

I do think politicians should be offered current scientific findings, but after that, I'd hope that our medical privacy laws would shield their decisions. I can't see how any good could come out of any other course of action.

They should be free to voice their opinions, but neither politicians nor religious leaders are responsible for the choices that their flocks make as far as health care.

Most Americans don't have the luxurious health care plans that Congress enjoys, nor the wealth that will blunt bad outcomes of either virus infections, or vaccine reactions. Their decisions are not relevant, even if it was our business.

I agree that health care provider opinions carry more weight. That's why I wish the mandatory vaccination issue had not stirred them up. I think that debate is best kept within the professional arena by encouraging voluntary compliance. I read that some hospitals get 80% voluntary coverage just by having raffles for cruises, or other little incentives.
 
Re: Congress divided over whether to get swine flu vaccine

Their actions shouldn't be political or showmanship, they should demonstrate leadership! How can they maintain credibility if they operate under a "do as I say, but not a I do" philosophy?

Vaccinations are hardly personal - look at the very long, very public lines to get vaccines. Public elected officials should have scrutiny of their personal lives when it reflects their concern for public welfare. How can they maintain they work in the public's interest when they're not willing to use basic public health measures promoted by every health-related department of the federal government?

Parents can't expect their children to eat food that they themselves won't eat. ;) You lead by example.

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Re: Congress divided over whether to get swine flu vaccine

But what if an individual representative chooses not to be vaccinated because of a personal health issue? Is it something we want to know? Do you want others to be influenced?

There are public places to get vaccinated, but it can be done by a doctor. I haven't read this, but it does seem to be a HIPPA issue, with a lot of complexity, just like everything else in this system.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/programs/iis/privacy/legsurv.htm

The one thing I think we have a right to know would be if a perceived 'better quality' vaccine is offered selectively to any group than to others.
 
Re: Congress divided over whether to get swine flu vaccine

North44,

Most of Canadians Senators might not need the vaccines, they had probably have experience THE 1918 pandemic and some probably the 1889 pandemics.
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Re: Congress divided over whether to get swine flu vaccine

But what if an individual representative chooses not to be vaccinated because of a personal health issue? Is it something we want to know? Do you want others to be influenced?

There are public places to get vaccinated, but it can be done by a doctor. I haven't read this, but it does seem to be a HIPPA issue, with a lot of complexity, just like everything else in this system.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/programs/iis/privacy/legsurv.htm

The one thing I think we have a right to know would be if a perceived 'better quality' vaccine is offered selectively to any group than to others.

A Congressman could simply say they're unable to get the vaccine for medical reasons, without further explanation, but affirm they support the program. True, it a HIPPA issue - for the provider, but not for the congressperson.

The US President has planted a organic vegetable garden on the White House grounds to set an example for healthy living, so I think Congress setting an example by getting vaccinated for something that is capable of causing severe disease is a reasonable expectation.

BTW - what personal health issue (except egg allergy) would prevent anyone from getting a killed virus vaccine?

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Re: Congress divided over whether to get swine flu vaccine

BTW - what personal health issue (except egg allergy) would prevent anyone from getting a killed virus vaccine?

You should ask a qualified health care provider to answer that for you. That is exactly why someone in Congress should not be expected to provide their medical history to the public. That is the next thing that someone will want to know.

The comparison between planting a veggie garden and divulging medical history is apples and oranges.

Personal vaccination choices of British politicians became a big issue awhile ago, and now I think their vaccination rates are lower than ours. I think sometimes a choice has to be made between controlling others or promoting voluntary good health.
 
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...someone in Congress should not be expected to provide their medical history to the public. That is the next thing that someone will want to know.
We're just talking about one vaccine - the rest is private & probably doesn't impact the public's health.

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