Re: China - Mystery disease in 6 provinces - HIV/AIDS ruled out
Re: China - Mystery disease in 6 provinces - HIV/AIDS ruled out
There's a lot here. Apparently the Institut Pasteur has discovered only a hint of a possible virus (they don't even know what viral family they think it is in).
Red text - Lymphatic TB is the illness in Emily's link above. This article indicates that some of these cases may have that illness.
http://www.chilicity.com/cgi-bin/bi...hhtml%2f33%2f2011-04-07%2f20110407074937.html
The Shanghai Virus Research institute examines the new virus, CSC does not approve
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2011/04/07□
The Shanghai Virus Research institute examines the new virus, CSC does not approve
Topaz vast new capital gazette
[abstract] medical department news spokesperson Deng Haihua said yesterday that at present may remove this crowd to infect the AIDS virus, and does not have the evidence to indicate that this crowd contracts some infectious disease.
They said that they infected one kind of unknown virus, the symptom have been similar with AIDS, but HIV was a negative; The medical department said that they belong “fear sickness”.
Sickness said that after must get sick, the tongue coating can turn white.
Sickness said that must get sick the back experience emaciated incapable.
The newspaper news in view of has the media to report that said the partial personnel told the doubtful infection “the negative AIDS” the incident, medical department news spokesperson Deng Haihua said yesterday that at present may remove this crowd to infect the AIDS virus, and does not have the evidence to indicate that this crowd contracts some infectious disease.
“lacks the new viral evidence”
Starts from at the end of 2009, some media reported one after another, some crowd suspected oneself infected some kind “the unknown virus” the crowd, they often have the high-risk sex act, at first suspects the infection AIDS virus, but the HIV examination is a negative many times, but the body presented the white glossotrichia, the joint to make a sound, the hypodermic lymph tumescent and so on symptoms.
Deng Haihua said that in September, 2009 - January, 2010, the China CDC experts recruited 59 to accept the investigation “the account in own words doubtful AIDS infected person” to carry on the first investigation voluntarily.
The survey result indicated that this crowd AIDS immune body examination is a negative, has not examined the related pathogenesis pathogen, and lacks new viral or the unknown pathogen infection evidence.
“is not the weary syndrome”
Because, considered the investigation object told the symptom and the XMRV virus (heterophile mouse leukemia virus related virus) causes the chronic weary syndrome's clinical symptoms are similar, 59 investigation objects also examined the XMRV virus.
Chronic weary syndrome, by Center for Disease Control and Prevention official naming. The dangerous group locking is frequently the office personnel, the symptom mainly includes tiredly, is puzzled the sleep, has the indecipherable whole body muscle asthenia, or arthralgia, easily negative mood influence.
But the investigation object's result also shows for the negative.
However, Deng Haihua said that the test result and the preliminary conclusion have not obtained this crowd to approve. Afterward, illness controls delivers the US the blood preparation the related laboratory examination. At present the US side feeds back said that already examined the sample AIDS immune body is a negative, not yet examines the related pathogenesis pathogen.
“has not discovered the infection symptom”
Discovered in reporter's interview that is visited “the infected person” to believe that their sweat, saliva, also has the infection, even discovered that their colleague, the relatives and friends also had the similar symptom.
Regarding “infection” the question, Deng Haihua said that in first time investigates in the foundation, the medical department organized the expert in this year two in March in Beijing, Shanghai, Jiangsu, Zhejiang, Hunan and Guangdong and so on 6 provinces (city) has done system's epidemiology field work.
At present altogether investigated 40 people, including once had participated in the first investigation 15 people.
Deng Haihua indicated that synthesizes two survey results, the medical department experts believed that at present may remove this crowd to infect the AIDS virus, does not have the evidence to indicate that this crowd states disease to have the infection and the accumulation, not clinical, the laboratory and the epidemiology evidence supports this crowd to contract some kind of communicable disease.
Sickness
“said that I fear, I do not approve”
Said that the infection unknown virus sickness indicated that should sickness infectious, after the infection, the physical pain, the lymph is tumescent
Beijing furniture merchant Sun Li (alias) notes the account in own words doubtful infection which the medical department news spokesperson on April 5 disclosed “the negative AIDS” only fears the symptom, does not have what unknown virus.
Sun Li indicated that he does not approve of medical department spokesperson's this viewpoint.
Illness: Incapable and joint distortion
In associates several months later a sweetheart, 38 year-old Sun Li believed that he suffered from some fearful unknown infectious disease, hair place has fallen, a whole body strength not to have, under the skin to have the tuberculosis, the whole body to walk randomly the ache, the knee joint distortion.
The one who lets him worry was his wife also successively had the similar symptom with 13 year-old child, contrasted entire family three routine blood test lab test reports, presented the white blood cell total, the granular cell percentage and the absolute value slightly is higher than the normal range, the CD4 cell value has the drop.
He the symptom input homepage search, found “sought the truth group” chats the group. After joining, the grandson discovered that in the group is the account in own words and his similar symptom person, Shanghainese Lin Jun (alias) is this group host.
These patient's illness may induce into, after the lymph is swollen and painful tumescently, the joint distorts, sends the sound, the tooth to be rotten, physical pain.
The patient said that “the infection is too strong”
“you should better wear a mouthpiece and we talk, we cough when you must avoid, will eat meal together, drinks water possibly will cause the infection.”On March 25 evening, a reporter's sees the forest armed forces nearby national CSC commercial hotel, he hesitated has been shaking the hand which reporter stretched out, said: “in my hand has the sweat, your meeting has needed to wash the hands, do not place the hand on the mouth, the infection is too strong”. Lin Jun said that he is infected by the mother.
in 2008, 77 year-old mother sudden gastric hemorrhage, has given the 3800CC blood in the hospital, after the being out of hospital, then frequently the night sweating. “in hand long skin rash, said the hands and feet to be numb frequently, on the body hurts, the joint can exude the sound, the body becomes becomes emaciated, vomits frequently”.
The same year May, mother's hand back is scratched by the glass fragments, the forest armed forces tidy up the glass fragments are cut by broken glass when puncture the finger carelessly, has been stained with mother's blood, 14 days later presents “the pate lymph to be tumescent, knee joint sour bulge, but can also hear `carbazole carbazole ' the sound, the whole body walks randomly the ache itch, displays the symptom with the mother to be the same”.
Lin Jun said that as he understands it, in the group also has a person is because “has the high-risk sex act” to infect, but also has not to know how oneself is infected on.
Seeks medical help without the gate?
Lin Jun said that he is “the unknown infectious disease infected person” comes the inquiry on behalf of national several thousand to the medical department, hoped that the country can take these “the unknown patient”, invests the strength research sickness as soon as possible, lives together with him also has 15 from the land's fellow patient representative, they through form the communciation, the organization in the QQ group to appeal for help.
As many group main Lin Jun, in the group summoned that “the fellow patient” “catches an illness the way each person, the performance symptom, the infection situation with to see a doctor the process as well as each kind of routine blood test lab test report” makes the electronic material to send his mailbox, he calls “is positive, is firm” the fellow patient to the National Medical department to appeal for help responsibly.
The notification which on April 6 sends out regarding the medical department, Lin Jun and sickness and so on Sun Li does not approve.
“I have body's symptom first, only then starts to seek medical help asks the medicine, said that I am the symptom which the energetic factor causes I do not approve, is not afraid only then this sickness first”.
Sun Li believed that the medical department cannot only for them examine first impressions are most lasting whether to infect AIDS.
Are the same with Sun Li and the forest armed forces, sickness “isolates the city” saying that a they most major problem is seeks medical help without the gate, he has run through the national Hospital for infectious diseases nearly, some doctors suggested that makes the mental healing, some said directly we could also not govern, only could act appropriately to the situation, to Shanghai all levels of CSC, went again, the central person said that treated an illness looks for the hospital. “isolated the city” saying that he did not know now how should manage.
Investigation
Before the medical department draws a conclusion, carries on two investigations
Two years ago once organized the expert to discuss; Has carried on the epidemiology investigation in six provinces and cities
According to China CDC chief expert Zeng Guang on March 30 introduced that as early as in 2009 the second half of the year, on-line has group of people to send the placard to seek help, some patients for the State Council, the medical department and national CSC write a letter.
The medical department takes seriously, at that time called a large quantities of epidemiology expert to discuss, draws the conclusion is this crowd is “fears”, the partial experts thought that “more paid attention easily to cause panic”, finally the conclusion was lets matters drift.
After the conference ended, received are getting more and more “the account in own words unknown virus” infected person's telephone, once the light decided that launched the investigation and study.
“consideration for energetic factor result”
in July, 2009, once the light sent the open letter in the QQ group, contacts with the fellow patients.
The same year October 30, he by the open letter way, recruited 59 to tell that carried on the blood test the patient to Beijing. on January 10, 2010 and on 17th, including Lin Jun, “Henan Laden” the 59 people does in Beijing Earth temple Hospital draws blood the chemical examination, simultaneously does also has the psychology questionnaire survey.
On February 11, Zeng Guang assistant Pei welcomed a newcomer in it has publicized the body test result which to the fellow patient public QQ space signature earth temple hospital Li Xingwang, Song US China made.
The physical examination discovered that the lymph node tumescent 15 examples, other inspections have not seen exceptionally, HIV and syphilis immune body examination is a negative, “59 example physical examinations had the varying degree non-specificity clinical symptoms, like low heat, asthenia, skin rash, lymph node tumescent and so on, and affected patient's daily life, the AIDS related inspection has not had 1 example masculine gender”, the conclusion was, “consideration mainly for energetic factor result”.
The earth temple hospital makes this crowd “the psychological evaluation” said that “this kind of crowd's psychologically healthy level is lower than the common crowd obviously, 38 people adopt are not mature defend the way and the middle defense way, brings the huge pressure facing the doubtful HIV infection not to adopt the sublimation and the humorous mature defense way”.
Zeng Guang said that these two appraisals provided have given the medical department by him the related leadership.
Examines in US not yet discovers the virus infection
These two appraisals by fellow patients and so on Lin Jun are not approved. in May, 2010, national CSC delivers 59 individual blood samples a US University of Southern California's viral laboratory examination.
On March 31, once the light had publicized US's partial blood test result, “has completed 1/3 sample at present up to them the examination work, still had not discovered the existence virus infection ......”
“I believed that in this crowd of human bodies is impossible to have any unknown infection virus, helps them to the overseas spot-check, was to mediate their fantasy”. Zeng Guangcheng.
This year February to March, in first time investigates in the foundation, the medical department releases the house document, in Beijing, Shanghai, Jiangsu, Zhejiang, Hunan and Guangdong 6 provinces (city) does the epidemiology field work. At present altogether investigated 40 people, including once participated in the first investigation 15 people. The result discovery has not been unusual.
The medical department investigates the advancement
in July, 2009, the China CDC starts the investigation.
in October, 2009 - January, 2010, “the patient” has carried on the first investigation to 59.
in May, 2010, escorts to the blood preparation the US to examine.
February, 2011 to March, in Beijing, Shanghai and so on 6 provinces (city) has done the system epidemiology field work.
Sound
The expert name discovers 5 person of identical virus
Shanghai virus research institute experts said that
what kind of virus still did not have the conclusion, the China CDC calls this non-viral research intelligence
Once the light organized Lin Jun in the China CDC chief experts and so on “to tell fellow patient” before the earth temple hospital blood test, at the end of 2009, Academia Sinica Shanghai Dr. Pasteur Viral Research institute medicine business manager not thin bamboo Wei, carried on to 5 Shanghai's account in own words patients has drawn blood the examination.
“over 30 year-old men, lead several year-old child to weep bitterly in front of me, let me rescue the child in any event. Is really very grieved, hoped that can help them a spot.”On March 16, not the thin bamboo health said that under this situation she and the colleague started the research.
She introduced that undergoes more than one year of examination, does not have the discovery and AIDS has any connection thing, but, has discovered the identical kind of virus in 5 person of blood samples.
Not the thin bamboo health said that
this kind of virus's sequence structure is not clear at present, “we in save time research”.
She said that has extracted “told fellow patient” the blood sample, carries on examines once more, “whether there is as for possibly to discover the new virus, as well as this virus the symptom which displays with them has what positive connection, still did not have the conclusion. How does the virus disseminate, this is the epidemiology investigation, after must the long time.”
Not the thin bamboo health did not think that Lin Jun et al. are the psychogenic disease, she said that because they nearly have the symptom first.
A Beijing anonymous doctor believed that the lymph node continues tumescently, does not abate, from the clinical experience looked that is the virus infection. This doctor believed that the humanity must experience a process to the science and disease's understanding, “should not give up any kind of possibility the confirmation”.
Not the thin bamboo health said that
she possibly has not discovered doubtful viral to anybody public 5 person of blood samples in the matter. She said that regarding unknown infectious disease's viral research, only then national CSC assigns the organization has the intelligence, Pasteur and does not have this kind of intelligence.
She said that makes this project the funds, is several colleagues extrudes own project funds.
Regarding the Shanghai Pasteur Virus Research institute's view, Zeng Guang said that this institute has not carried on the intelligence which the clinical unknown infectious disease studies,
they said this kind of virus discovered the process, the place and does the condition whether science rigorous need authoritative department's recognizing, “I not because some organization will say that had discovered the new virus will change my regarding this group person's view”.
Clearing up suspicions
The medical department announced “the account in own words doubtful AIDS to infect the crowd” yesterday the survey result, “not clinical, the laboratory and the epidemiology evidence supported this crowd to contract some kind of communicable disease”, and has carried on the corresponding explanation.
Before this on January 17, 2010, China CDC's chief expert Zeng Guang as well as in China CDC Virus Research institute Assistant Manager Zhang Jian, once in the earth temple hospital's healthy classroom, talked with 30 fellow patients. The fellow patient and the expert “the confrontation”, the experts “the symptom” have carried on the explanation to them.
At that time, these fellow patients just accepted the authoritative expert to inspect, removed completely infected the HIV virus the possibility.
Right “told that the patient” has the long-term research Beijing Xiehe Hospital AIDS to diagnose and treat central Director Li Taisheng to believe that these patients are impossible to carry have the unclear virus.
Has gotten sick?
“the
normal person possible CD4 cell to be also low”
At last year's that dialog, the fellow patients have prepared the text, some 6 pages of papers, several thousand characters, ask 8 major problems.
The fellow patients said that they have a common symptom, the CD4 cell drop continually, only more than 400, are lower than the normal person 700 levels. But the AIDS virus attack's object is precisely the CD4 cell. Moreover, they have the lymph to be tumescent, the tongue blanch, the joint make a sound and so on symptoms.
On the spot, a fellow patient arrives at the onstage, the depth squats, then stands up, may hear “carbazole” very obviously clear sound. When he experiments the second time, the knee joint has not made a sound.
Zeng Guang explained that one kind of sickness's diagnosis has not taken CD4 the major targets or quotas.
Has some people, even is the normal person, CD4 is low, but also has many diseases possibly to cause CD4 to reduce, but also has some person of spirits to be anxious, also will cause CD4 to reduce, for instance weary syndrome. [I think this means chronic fatigue syndrome, especially considering the reference to "weary" syndrome above in conjunction with XMRV. - alert]
Illness on the scene controlled the personnel saying that he understood the situation was, even if earth temple hospital's doctor, the CD4 mean value also had more than 400. According to medical department yesterday's notification, these investigation object CD4 cell basic normal.
Infection?
“has not seen the infectious disease possibility at present”
At that time arrived at the earth temple hospital, two fellow patients have wanted the disposable mouthpiece to the staff. They worried that infects disease to the hospital in other people.
Medical personnel who and volunteer makes the direction for them, has not worn the mouthpiece. Zeng Guang hoped through this small action, for fellow patients some confidence.
The saliva, the nature are even the sweat, is this unknown viral possible dissemination way which the fellow patients summarize.
Fellow patients' judgment basis is, the own family member varying degree has the similar symptom. “the family members simply did not know that my this kind of situation, how can say is also because frightened?”A fellow patient said.
Once the light when the dialog before accepted the interview said that the infectious disease has the specificity, but had not seen at present on these person's body the specificity performance, simultaneously these person's symptom also lacks the general character. At present had not seen this is “the infectious disease” possibility.
The medical department notified yesterday explained that “has not discovered between the investigation object to have the situation which the common symptom and infected mutually; The investigation object and the close contact do not have the common specificity infection symptom and the symptom, had not discovered the infectious disease disseminates causal relation.”
Because of fear?
Cannot be called “fears”
Actually regarding this part of people, very early by the crown by “fears” the name, but Zeng Guang said that now looks like cannot it call it “fears”, because in them many people, is thought that oneself infected the unknown virus, even hopes AIDS. Zeng Guang believed that them called it is more appropriate “the account in own words unknown virus infected person”.
However, Zeng Guang was explicit, this phenomenon has become the public health question, already affected a part of person's physical and moral integrity, and has had certain social impact, “this question must study, must manage.”
Last year the dialog was final, Zeng Guang said “, if in your examination had the common thing, and the harm society, we must result in help you. I ask everybody in here to believe us”. By now, resounded an only applause on the spot.
According to yesterday medical department's notification, through two investigations, the discovery has not been presented by the surveyor with the infection related organic pathological change. “
in one year the only 2 people because of the tonsil disease in hospital”, the majority of investigation object and the close contact can the normal work and the study.
The lymph is tumescent?
“the throat inflammation may also cause”
Contacted more than 100 “to tell the patient”, and carried on the investigation to approximately 40, Beijing Xiehe Hospital AIDS has diagnosed and treated central Director Li Taisheng to believe that these people infected the unknown virus by no means. Li Taisheng simultaneously is medical department AIDS clinical expert group leader.
Li Taisheng believed that these patient mainly psychology reason has caused the symptom.
But is tumescent regarding some patient lymph, Li Taisheng said that “my patient, said frequently in a big way, but I do not trace”.
He said that does not remove some patient lymph to be truly big, but must look that is any place is big, this kind of place's lymph is big because of the jaw, completely because of the throat inflammation, the tonsil inflammation will cause, sometimes moreover big could not go back. “under my jaw has the lymph to be big, more than 30 years.”
He said that also does not
remove some people to have the lymph node tuberculosis.
Li Taisheng said that on the collar bone the lymph node is not greatly normal, but these fellow patient nobody said that he is on collar bone's lymph node is tumescent. And the lymph node must as big as one centimeter, only then has the clinical significance.
Newspaper Reporter Wu Peng topaz vast Beijing, Shanghai reported
