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Argentina: unusual serious cases in young people

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Source: http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1144216
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Lungs to be "burned" in hours
There is a seriousness of patients' unusual '
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"We're seeing the placement of young patients, between 15 and 50 years with pneumonia, some rapidly evolving towards a gravity which for many is unusual, in which the lung is' fire 'in a matter of hours," said Dr. Jorge San Juan, head of the Department of Intensive Care Hospital Mu?iz.

This has led to patients with these characteristics begin to be treated in an increasingly aggressive. THE NATION As reported yesterday, doctors from the Ministry of Health received the directive to take, from now on, all cases of influenza and potential influenza A (H1N1), with the recommendation to perform chest radiographs for patients with symptoms of fever and fatigue and internal quickly to all suffering from pneumonia.


"Today, it is known that the virus is circulating mass, the attitude we have with patients depends on clinical assessment made by the doctor not to become a serious case. It is not necessary to diagnose laboratory [confirming the new virus infection] to begin treatment, "said Dr. Vilma Savy, Chief of the Respiratory Virus Malbr?n institute.

Concern about how this attack some young flu was confirmed to the nation on a coroner that, in recent hours, conducted two autopsies on two people killed by influenza A.

"The bodies were viscera, meninges and brain swollen, a little common factor in death from influenza. Additionally, the lungs were in bad shape, with some spots we could not identify. The studies sent pathology, "said the coroner who asked not to publicize his name until the health authorities take note of it found.


Changes in strategies for care of patients arriving with flu tables advanced aiming to be more aggressive: treat, then see what happens; leapfrogging. "This form of serious patient care will change the trend and prevent more deaths and pneumonia, said Dr. John, coordinator of the Emergency Committee of the Ministry of Health Epidemiological Aires.

For severe pneumonia, said San Juan, today patients do not receive empirical antibiotics and antiviral drugs but also does not delay the use of mechanical ventilation. "While generally expect 24 hours to see how it evolves, we do not, and if decompensation quickly reach intubation," said San Juan.

The province of Buenos Aires will, from next week, with rapid diagnostic tests that will discriminate in just 15 minutes by means of swabs, if the person is a carrier of influenza A. Anyway, the final confirmation will institute Malbr?n.
The new test will begin before the treatment, health authorities reported ranches.
 
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Source: http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1144216
(note: there are 2 graphs with this article...click above to see them)

Lungs to be "burned" in hours
There is a seriousness of patients' unusual '
General News: previous | next
Saturday June 27 2009


"We're seeing the placement of young patients, between 15 and 50 years with pneumonia, some rapidly evolving towards a gravity which for many is unusual, in which the lung is' fire 'in a matter of hours," said Dr. Jorge San Juan, head of the Department of Intensive Care Hospital Mu?iz.

This has led to patients with these characteristics begin to be treated in an increasingly aggressive. THE NATION As reported yesterday, doctors from the Ministry of Health received the directive to take, from now on, all cases of influenza and potential influenza A (H1N1), with the recommendation to perform chest radiographs for patients with symptoms of fever and fatigue and internal quickly to all suffering from pneumonia.

"Today, it is known that the virus is circulating mass, the attitude we have with patients depends on clinical assessment made by the doctor not to become a serious case. It is not necessary to diagnose laboratory [confirming the new virus infection] to begin treatment, "said Dr. Vilma Savy, Chief of the Respiratory Virus Malbr?n institute.

Concern about how this attack some young flu was confirmed to the nation on a coroner that, in recent hours, conducted two autopsies on two people killed by influenza A.

"The bodies were viscera, meninges and brain swollen, a little common factor in death from influenza. Additionally, the lungs were in bad shape, with some spots we could not identify. The studies sent pathology, "said the coroner who asked not to publicize his name until the health authorities take note of it found.

Changes in strategies for care of patients arriving with flu tables advanced aiming to be more aggressive: treat, then see what happens; leapfrogging. "This form of serious patient care will change the trend and prevent more deaths and pneumonia, said Dr. John, coordinator of the Emergency Committee of the Ministry of Health Epidemiological Aires.

For severe pneumonia, said San Juan, today patients do not receive empirical antibiotics and antiviral drugs but also does not delay the use of mechanical ventilation. "While generally expect 24 hours to see how it evolves, we do not, and if decompensation quickly reach intubation," said San Juan.

The province of Buenos Aires will, from next week, with rapid diagnostic tests that will discriminate in just 15 minutes by means of swabs, if the person is a carrier of influenza A. Anyway, the final confirmation will institute Malbr?n. The new test will begin before the treatment, health authorities reported ranches.
1918 re-run. There are 26 confirmed fatalities with 15 more probables in and around Buenos Aires (as well as the infected pig farm).
 
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this is very alarming as we are seeing the virus destroying the body. Are we certain that this is the same H1N1?
 
Re: Argentina: unusual serious cases in young people

Forgive the dumb question, but are these symptoms characteristic of what is referred to as cytokine storm?
 
Re: Argentina: unusual serious cases in young people

this is very alarming as we are seeing the virus destroying the body. Are we certain that this is the same H1N1?
It is almost certainly related, but is flu season in the southern hemisphere and influenza knows how to evolve.
 
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#1: " the placement of young patients, between 15 and 50 years with pneumonia"


So the initialy "seasonal like"/mild picked free roaming allowing measures were a wrong move.

50 years (30-50) are not young

They can be young adult ~ 35, but adult or middle aged after.
 
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Argentina. Video: las distintas caras de la gripe A (H1N1)


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Re: Argentina: unusual serious cases in young people

So the initialy "seasonal like"/mild picked free roaming allowing measures were a wrong move.

50 years (30-50) are not young

They can be young adult ~ 35, but adult or middle age after.
Hey! I'm pushing 50 and consider myself young. :D;)
 
Re: Argentina: unusual serious cases in young people

Hey! I'm pushing 50 and consider myself young. :D;)
Yes, confronted to the folks having 90 ... ;)

Those having an biologic "30 year old body" in their 50's are not included ...
 
Re: Argentina: unusual serious cases in young people

Well, 50 is young compared to the normal high risk age for flu.
 
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Some of the North American cases describe a harrowing death. Are there cases in the Americas like the Argentina cases, but for whatever reason they are not discussed or described by public health officials and hence the media?
 
Re: Argentina: unusual serious cases in young people

Some of the North American cases describe a harrowing death. Are there cases in the Americas like the Argentina cases, but for whatever reason they are not discussed or described by public health officials and hence the media?

Yes there have been many such cases and they are being tracked here on FTs. What we do not know is how many of the cases show signs like those described the Argentine coroner because our PH officials have suppressed this information giving us almost no information on cases since mid-May.

They cite HIPPA and patient privacy concerns as the reason and while a valid concern, it would not prevent them from releasing clinical details of the case and the autopsy findings which can easily done without compromising patient privacy.

GW
 
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Hello everyone,

The automatic translation is not very good. I checked on the original and it "sounded" to me that they were not treating the cases with antivirals on time, they say there:

"Si bien generalmente se esperan 24 horas para ver c?mo evoluciona, sugerimos no hacerlo y, si se descompensa r?pidamente, llegar a la intubacion", precis? San Juan.

My "translation"

"Usually we wait 24 hours to see how it evolves, we suggest not to do so and, if it evolves too quickly, put in respirators", said San Juan.

Which makes me think that the doctors were waiting 24 hours to see how the patient evolves and were not putting them on respirators... I sounds like they were treating it as a normal mild flu, but with A/H1N1, specially on those with some condition, they shouldn't do that... that would explain so many deaths.

I wonder that most of these patients arrives at hospital with 24hs of symptoms (nobody runs to doctor so quickly, it's expensive, it's not the culture around here, so most people will wait until get really ugly) and if the doctors wait more 24hs so we got the 48 and it's too late for them. This is very sad. I hadn't heard about any change on the virus yet. Brazil is monitoring the borders with Argentina and Uruguay, we also have some outbreaks in cities in the border but we haven't had any deaths. Just one girl is in risk at hospital, but stable. As I don't believe that the virus which are around the border are different, what we see is the same virus killing in Argentina but not killing in Brazil. So we have one of these two situations:
a) people in Argentina are not being treated as it should (the right antiviral on time)
b) Brazil is hiding deaths or severe cases (which I really don't believe, we do have some free press, and the news would leak at net anyways)

I do hope that people in Argentina gets all the medical help they need...
 
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