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Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

Thanks.
Do you think there is one section of the tree that is, genetically, significantly more active with high rates of recombination/reassortment compared to others and if so do these active points shift?
We use the H & N to name the serotypes but across the full 8 strands are there areas in the world with very rich diversity (high potential for radical changes with recombination) compared to others (that was my assumption behind the China = 'home' of flus comment)?
 
Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

reassortment between different serotypes only seems to happen
in China. Once the viruses leave China, there is only some
"fine-tuning"
 
Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

reassortment between different serotypes only seems to happen
in China. Once the viruses leave China, there is only some
"fine-tuning"
Please cite reference for the above statement.
 
Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

Thanks.
Do you think there is one section of the tree that is, genetically, significantly more active with high rates of recombination/reassortment compared to others and if so do these active points shift?
We use the H & N to name the serotypes but across the full 8 strands are there areas in the world with very rich diversity (high potential for radical changes with recombination) compared to others (that was my assumption behind the China = 'home' of flus comment)?
Each tree is for a single gene segment and has nothing to do with reassortment. The length of a branch reflects number of changes.
 
Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

genbank.

give a counter-example !



for H5N1 we have reassortments with H6N1,H9N2 in China 2004
(paper mentioned earlier can't find the URL so quickly)

but no such reassortment outside China

when we count 4 strains outside China (Qinghai,Indo,Vietnam,
Fujian) then we should count 10-20 strains inside China
with same distance between strains/clades


See also the recent papers about human flu
(Holmes et.al full genome, Smith et.al HA)


new strains and pandemics form in SE-Asia
 
Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

reassortment between different serotypes only seems to happen
in China. Once the viruses leave China, there is only some
"fine-tuning"
The only reported human / bird reassortant (H7N2 and H3N2) was in New York.
 
Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

OK.
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/04280803/H7N2_NY_Reassortant_Concerns.html

but just only one isolate, it didn't spread. Dead end.

In China evolution and creation of new strains happen.
For H5N1 and human flu.

For other avian serotypes also outside China.
Reassortment and evolution in Canadian
mallards etc.

For birds however Eurasian and American strains
don't mix.
 
Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

OK.
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/04280803/H7N2_NY_Reassortant_Concerns.html

but just only one isolate, it didn't spread. Dead end.

In China evolution and creation of new strains happen.
For H5N1 and human flu.

For other avian serotypes also outside China.
Reassortment and evolution in Canadian
mallards etc.

For birds however Eurasian and American strains
don't mix.
Detection of H7N2 in humans is VERY poor. In 2003 the H7N7 appeared to spread to 1000's based on H7 antibody, but the vast majority of those cases was NOT detected by PCR.
 
Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines


Commentary

WHO Hoarding of H5N1 Sequences Raise Pandemic Concerns

Recombinomics Commentary 01:55
February 23, 2009


Of the most recent isolates from China, A/Guangxi/1/2009 belongs to clade 2.3.2, the first human isolate from this clade. A/Hunan/2/2009, belonging to clade 2.3.4, shows genetic divergence from other viruses of this clade. Both viruses should be considered as potential vaccine strains pending further characterization.

The above comments are from the latest version of the WHO publication on H5N1 vaccine targets, ?Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines?, which was released earlier this month.

Although the comments, in conjunction with the HA phylogenetic tree at the end of the document, provide insight into the rapid evolution and divergence of H5N1 clades and sub-clades, the report is more notable for the data withheld than the data released.

In recent months, the increasing lack of transparency in reports on H5N1 outbreaks has reached an alarming level. China created concern when 8 confirmed cases of H5N1 were reported in January, this year. The concerns were increased because China has not reported associated outbreaks in poultry. Prior to the spike in human cases, China reported two outbreaks of asymptomatic clade 7 H5N1 in poultry in Jiangsu in December, raising concerns that the human cases were also clade 7.

The WHO report is glaringly silent of six of the eight cases. As noted above, the two disclosed cases involve the Funjian strain (clade 2.3). One is linked to a more divergent clade 2.3.4. Previously, almost all human cases in China were clade 2.3.4. The other case is a different Fujian sub-clade, 2.3.2, which led to the first human isolate. However, this sub-clade has been isolated from wild birds in Hong Kong for the past three seasons, and was also isolated in Japan and southern Russia in the spring of 2008. South Korea has also isolated clade 2.3.2 from poultry, but has not released any sequence data. Moreover, a soldier / culler involved in the spring Korean outbreak developed bird flu symptoms and was PCR H5 confirmed. However, South Korea did not file a WHO report because they could not isolate the clade 2.3.2 virus. They argued that the soldier wasn?t clade 2.3.2 positive because the sub-clade had not previously been reported in human cases. The current WHO report shows that the sub-clade can fatally infect humans, which increases concerns because the virus is widespread in wild birds migrating along the East Asian flyway.

However, of greater concern is the WHO silence on the other 6 confirmed human cases in China. The virus isolated from the first case, A/Beijing/1/2009 was said to not have any human flu gene segments, indicating all eight gene segments had been sequenced in early January. Moreover, the sequences were characterized as having small differences with prior isolates from China. The likelihood that the sequence was clade 7 was increased when officials in Hong Kong indicated that the dead birds there were infected Fujian strains. Calde 2.3.2 was in the wild birds, while clade 2.3.4 was in the poultry washing ashore, signaling additional unreported outbreaks in China. However, the officials also said that the human cases in China were due to a strain from the north, strongly suggesting that the human infections were clade 7.

In the WHO report above, clade 7 was discussed because more outbreaks were reported in Vietnam, and the newer clade 7 isolates in Vietnam were distinct from earlier clade 7 isolates, although all isolates were from 2008. Moreover, the isolates in Vietnam were distinct from the previosuly reported clade 7 isolates in China, raising concerns that this clade was rapidly evolving and causing widespread human infections in China.

However, WHO failed to comment on the other isolates from China, and these isolates, including A/Beijing/1/2009 were also not in the phylogenetic tree. The tree had an unprecedented number of recent isolates of interest that were lacking public disclosure of the underlying sequence. This lack of transparency has created concerns because it is well known that H5N1 transmission can be dramatically affected by a very small number of changes in the receptor binding domain, such as those seen in public clade 7 sequences.

In addition to withholding the sequences of the six isolates from China that are not on the tree, WHO regional labs are withholding an unprecedented number of sequences.

Prior to being designated a WHO regional lab, NAMRU-3 would promptly release human H5N1 sequences. However, this season there have been no sequences released, even though two 2009 isolates, A/Egypt/0001-NAMRU-3/2009 and A/Egypt/0585-NAMRU-3/2009 are listed on the WHO tree. These isolates are related to the vaccine resistant sequences reported last season, and raise concerns that there are additional receptor binding domain changes in the human isolates.

Similarly, NAMRU-3 has not released the sequence, A/Pakistan.540-NAMRU-3/2008 from the outbreak in Pakistan at the end of 2007. This outbreak involved one of the most extended human to human transmission chains reported to date for H5N1, yet the sequence of the only recovered isolate has been withheld. It is in the phylogenetic tree and is the first reported human case linked to the Uvs Lake strain the Qinghai sub-clade, 2.2.3, and was said to not have receptor binding domain changes, which would also be a first for a clade 2.2 extended human to human transmission chain. Moreover, the second reported human Uvs Lake isolate, A/Bangladesh/ 2070095/2008, has also been withheld.

In addition to the withholding of human isolates from China, Egypt, Pakistan, and Bangladesh, the novel clade 2.2.3 isolate from western Africa, A/chicken/Togo/CHEK2/2008 is also in the tree, but withheld.

In addition to the withholding of the human and bird clade 2.2 isolates, WHO has also withheld the various clade 7 isolates from Vietnam, A/chicken/Vietnam/NCVD-016/2008, A/chicken/Vietnam/NCVD-093/2008, and clade 7 vaccine target, A/chicken/Vietnam/NCVD-03/2008.

This withholding of important sequences, including those selected or recommended as vaccine targets is without precedent. Even Indonesia, which has a glaring lack of transparency in reporting H5N1 cases, has placed four recent human isolates, A/Indonesia/7379/2008, A/Indonesia/7272/2008, A/Indonesia/7261/2008, and A/Indonesia/8228/2008 on deposit at GISAID.

Thus, the increased hoarding of H5N1 sequences by WHO raises pandemic concerns and these scandalous actions are increasingly harder to justify.

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Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

> Even Indonesia, which has a glaring lack of transparency in
> reporting H5N1 cases, has placed four recent human isolates,
> A/Indonesia/7379/2008,
> A/Indonesia/7272/2008,
> A/Indonesia/7261/2008,
> and A/Indonesia/8228/2008
> on deposit at GISAID.


maybe we can at least have the (A+T)/(C+G) ratio of these sequences,
or is that also secret/copyright ?
 
Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

> Even Indonesia, which has a glaring lack of transparency in
> reporting H5N1 cases, has placed four recent human isolates,
> A/Indonesia/7379/2008,
> A/Indonesia/7272/2008,
> A/Indonesia/7261/2008,
> and A/Indonesia/8228/2008
> on deposit at GISAID.


maybe we can at least have the (A+T)/(C+G) ratio of these sequences,
or is that also secret/copyright ?
Sequences are available to those who register at GISAID (and general information is in WHO phylogenetic tree).
I seriously doubt that ANYONE cares about pyrimidine /purine ratios.
 
Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

Clade 7 from Vietnam (NCDV-016) was just made public at GISAID.
 
Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

when it's at GISAID, it's not really public. Yes, you could register,
but have you seen their terms and conditions ? (which BTW. they
do not allow to be quoted in forums for discussion !)

Besides me, at least Rabadan et.al do care about (A+T)/(C+G) ratio.
The possible mammalean reservoir in Indonesia had been one of
our main concerns since 2006, see recombinomics-archive
 
Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

when it's at GISAID, it's not really public. Yes, you could register,
but have you seen their terms and conditions ? (which BTW. they
do not allow to be quoted in forums for discussion !)

Besides me, at least Rabadan et.al do care about (A+T)/(C+G) ratio.
The possible mammalean reservoir in Indonesia had been one of
our main concerns since 2006, see recombinomics-archive
Then that is who you shoud ask.
 
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