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Discussion thread II - Covid-19 (new coronavirus)

Jan.29 , Rolf Hilgenfeld , Professor Luebeck, Coronavirus expert
"These RNA viruses are self-limiting. That means after a certain time,
most people have developed antibodies against the virus, even though they
did not fall sick. Then they are immune against the infection.
These outbreaks typically end by themselves after a couple of months",
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I don't know --- will there be longlasting immunity ? Not so with seasonal
coronaviruses (common cold) AFAIK. And if, it may decline in Wuhan after some months
but then start in other places, including Luebeck
 
Sally Furniss said:
gs how did you calculate 5 hours?
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read it somewhere ... will search for a link. Who-meeting at 13:30 Geneva time AFAIR

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OK, here is the link :
https://www.who.int/news-room/events...virus-in-china

13:30 Geneva time , presumably = MET , starts in 3.5h, with a recommendation
by the assembly followed by a declaration of the director general

I think this is not a usual meeting, it was extra scheduled within short time.
Why would they do that, if not for some significant change.

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the press conference is set to 1900,
 
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gsgs said:
this all is ridiculous.
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Now, WHO may call an emergency, so what ? They did this in 2009 too, which
turned out to be a non-event.
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True that flu was not as 'advertised', but getting the emergency declaration is a big event and money for vaccine manufacturers and the taxpayers who fund pandemic vaccines.

https://www.statnews.com/2019/06/11/...0-years-later/
By Helen Branswell June 11, 2019
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That picture of the 2009 pandemic was only painted after the fact. At the time, the WHO faced pressure from some key member countries not to declare H1N1 a pandemic at all, because of the apparent lack of severity of the situation. The outbreak seemed, well, wimpy after years of warnings of a bad pandemic. Supply chains didn’t break; global air travel was not disrupted.

Still, the WHO made a formal pandemic declaration.

Doing so automatically activated pre-negotiated pandemic vaccine contracts that a number of wealthy countries had with vaccine manufacturers...
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So the WHO declaration is a big event. Vaccine short cuts, which could be taken for a pandemic vaccine as Vibrant pointed out, can have consequences.
 
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there are >5 companies now already working on a vaccine, without WHO-global alert.
But it takes 1 year because of testing.
In 2009 it took only 7-8 months, however the vaccine didn't do much in 2009,2010.

And that 1 year is despite experts are praising the current standard of research and methods -
with the experience from SARS,MERS and the new technology. What has changed to the worse ?
Even if coronavirus goes back in summer, as some predict, the vaccine won't be ready for next winter.
Other than in 2009.
 
Merci,
franchement, Emily, te lire est toujours un bonheur. Cette crise est tr?s mal g?r?e, mais c'est en Chine , une premi?re, attendue depuis bien longtemps, par les chinois.
C'est, en fait, un signe que les politiques chinois actuels veulent le progr?s. Et Il faut surtout les f?liciter...

En Europe , les passifs sur la gestion de ce genre de probl?me sont abject:
http://sante.lefigaro.fr/actualite/2014/10/27/22977-quarantaine-chiffon-rouge-abandonne-xixe-siecle

Maintenant la vraie question est plus le traitement de l'origine de cette crise, donc les march?s globaux :
"Au total, 585 ?chantillons ont ?t? pr?lev?s dans deux lots de South China Seafood City. Les tests de PCR ont montr? que 33 ?chantillons ?taient positifs pour le nouvel acide nucl?ique du coronavirus. Ces ?chantillons positifs ont ?t? distribu?s dans 22 ?tals et 1 camion ? ordures sur le march?, dont 93,9% (31/33) des ?chantillons positifs ont ?t? distribu?s dans la partie ouest du march? des fruits de mer de Chine m?ridionale. L'enqu?te a r?v?l? que le march? des fruits de mer de la Chine m?ridionale ?tait nominalement un march? de fruits de mer, mais ?tait en fait un march? global. Il y a un commerce d'esp?ces sauvages dans la partie ouest du march? des fruits de mer de la Chine du Sud, en particulier dans les zones proches des 7e et 8e rues de la zone ouest, o? il y a de nombreux marchands d'animaux sauvages, et les sp?cimens positifs dans cette zone sont ?galement concentr?s, repr?sentant 42,4% de tous les ?chantillons positifs (14 / 33). En r?sum?, on soup?onne fortement que l'?pid?mie est li?e au commerce des esp?ces sauvages"

Je voulais savoir, ce que sont devenus les animaux et si des pr?l?vements ont ?t? fait . Pour certains, c'est comme pour les repas de f?tes de fin d'ann?e, ici , c'est le revenu de l'ann?e. On parle aussi d'animaux import?s , donc d'animaux qui ont pass? deux douanes pour ?tre consomm?s pour ces f?tes. Je dis aussi cela car pour certains ce sont des animaux produits , et qu'il est probable que ce sont ceux l? qui sont la vraie source, car ce sont des animaux avec des conditions de vie propice. Comme des march?s globaux existent en x lieux, pour le peu que des animaux aient ?t? envoy?s en plusieurs lieux ... Mais , comme, pour certains, cette activit? ?tait interdite, ce n'est pas simple de trouver les liens, car il doit y avoir des proc?dures en cours...

Et , en Chine la peine de mort , pour ce genre de crime existe ...
 
I too am interested in hearing from the vet community regarding pets. The only reference I have seen so far is this:

Source: http://www.chinanews.com/gn/2020/01-30/9073220.shtml
Li Lanjuan: Virus spreads among mammals, pets need to be monitored in contact with outbreaks
January 30, 2020 10:55 Source: China News Network

Video: Wuhan Express, goggles, alcohol antivirus
Source: China News Network

(Combating new pneumonia) Li Lanjuan: Virus spreads among mammals, pets need to be monitored for outbreaks

Langzhong News Agency, Beijing, January 30th. Li Lanjuan, a member of the Chinese Academy of Engineering and a member of the high-level expert group of the National Health and Medical Commission, said in an interview on the 29th that if pets are exposed to epidemics and patients outside the country, pets need to be monitored.

兰 Li Lanjuan pointed out that the new coronavirus is transmitted between mammals, so mammals need to be prepared. "Owners need to strengthen the management of pets. If pets are exposed to outbreaks and patients, they also need to be monitored."
 
voyons Shiloh , on abandonne la recherche de la source primaire pour se lancer sur la recherche des sources secondaires, internet a de la m?moire...:applause:
 
WHO'S PRESS CONFERENCE TODAY

Anyone know what time the WHO press conference will bee?
And, anyone have link to live stream ?
I DID look at WHO twitter, but no announcement for the PC there so far.
 
Source: https://www.newsweek.com/chinese-sc...-infection-says-owners-should-monitor-1484841

Chinese Scientist Working on Coronavirus Claims Pets Can Catch Infection, Says Owners Should Monitor for Symptoms
By Kashmira Gander On 1/30/20 at 7:58 AM EST

Pets can catch the mysterious new virus that has already killed almost 200 people, according to a Chinese expert who has urged people to monitor their domesticated animals.

Li Lanjuan, an epidemiologist and member of the team China has assembled to confront the new coronavirus, claimed the bug, dubbed 2019-nCoV, can be transmitted from mammal to mammal. She did not say if there had been cases of infected pets.

The World Health Organization (WHO) has previously stated there is no evidence that pets, like dogs or cats, can be infected with the virus. It's not clear if 2019-nCoV "has any impact on the health of animals and no particular event has been reported in any species," the agency said. Newsweek has contacted China's National Health Commission for comment.

Lanjuan told China Central Television, according to a translation by China Daily: "If pets go out and have contact with an infected person, they have the chance to get infected. By then, pets need to be isolated. In addition to people, we should be careful with other mammals especially pets."...
 
https://www.elsoldesanluis.com.mx/l...vo-virus-de-la-neumonia.-alertan-4736906.html

Spanish-English translation

/ WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 22, 2020 [h=1]Pets exposed to the new Pneumonia virus. Alert[/h] [h=3]They warn that the Coronavirus strain affects dogs. Mainly puppies[/h]


Felipe C?rdenas | The San Luis Sun

The new strain of the coronavirus that is spreading rapidly throughout the world and that has claimed the lives of people in Asia, also affects pets, warned specialists who revealed that the canine coronavirus, especially attacks puppies, because their immune system and Your digestive system is still immature.

The mysterious virus similar to Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, which caused about 8,000 deaths in 2014. It appeared in central China and is spreading rapidly through human contagion. [h=2]Canine Coronavirus?[/h]
It is a virus that can cause infections in any puppy, but puppies are the ones most likely to acquire it because their immune system and digestive system are not matured.
According to Pet Care, canine coronavirus causes an acute infection. The contact route is feco-oral contact, that is, by having oral contact with infected feces.

After acquiring it, the puppy begins to manifest the symptoms from 24 until 36 hours. It causes an obvious intestinal inflammation.

Specialists indicate that in dogs that are properly vaccinated and dewormed, canine coronavirus will only represent an easily treatable intestinal infection in any veterinarian. In abandoned and stray dogs, the virus can be deadly if it is not treated in time.
[h=2]Your symptoms[/h]
Puppies have symptoms such as temperature above 40 degrees Celsius, tremor, vomiting, dehydration, as well as loss of appetite. They can also manifest foul diarrhea and have blood and mucus in their stool. [h=2]Signals[/h]
Temperature above 40?C

Tremors

Vomiting

Dehydration

Loss of appetite

Fetid diarrhea

Blood and mucus in the stool [h=2]Treatment[/h]
Support measures are administered until the symptomatology is self-limited. In the absence of a treatment against the virus, prevention is particularly relevant.

In addition to maintaining proper hygiene in the dog's objects and complying with all vaccines, the pup's immune system can be helped by feeding.
 
It was impossible to hear anyway. Sounded like rushing water even with the volume turned up. If you hadn't said anything I would never known. :D
 
The WHO press conference delayed an hour until 2:30 EST. Says can watch live @WHO but can't find it.

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Today, the World Health Organization will meet again to decide whether coronavirus is a public health emergency of international concern. The announcement will be made at a 1:30 p.m. ET press conference. You'll be able to watch it live at @WHO
 
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