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Discussion: Videos, news reports, various information about what is going on in China - thread started January 23, 2020

Sharky said:
Enlightening discussion and video from a medical professional who speaks Chinese and used to live in China, and still has contacts there.

https://youtu.be/lk5XkhUKMDM
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Very enlightening. The video is over an hour long. Below is a list of notes I've taken from the information presented:

- Hosts speak and lived in China for several years
- This outbreak couldn't have happened at a worse time. Chinese New Year is massive (100s million travel)
- Today, [I assume hosts are saying Jan 24th] is the day for family dinner by all those celebrating
- Shenzhen (SP?) - 38 quarantined (not the official number of 15)
- Doctors are not permitted to go on holiday
- Doctors are not properly equipped - only have surgical masks (clinics, hospitals)
- Doctors are afraid
- Public bathrooms in China (not tourist areas) don't have soap
- People are collapsing in hospitals
- Legit videos have doctors dressed in PPEs (new style)
- 7km from ground zero there was an attempt to break the world record for largest banquet (after the outbreak started)
- Masks are being sold out in the states via parallel buying
- A fairly recent law in China there is a law regarding spreading rumors (harming social harmony). [hosts talk about how the videos of people collapsing are legit, by reading street signs..etc.]
- People are bragging about being sick and escaped Wuhan. Sharing stores about going to Disneyland..etc.
- More than 200,000 cars fled Wuhan before the official shutdown/quarantine of Wuhan
- Hygiene is very poor
- Culturally the people are very hands on with food prep at the markets
- Spitting in public is very pervasive
- The situation is being "played down" within China
 
https://twitter.com/i/status/1220946590858264576

(In Chinese with English subtitles). Voice message from a medical staff in Wuhan: "Indeed, the infection is much more horrible than it's reported on TV. There are so many cases. Doctors have estimated about 100,000 infected. We have more than 10 doctors here, and each doctor has treated more than 100 infected people in just one day. Many of them will not make it. No hospital beds. Their relatives complained and insisted on being treated in our hospital as they quoted the government's promise the hospital should treated those infected with the coronavirus. However, the government didn't support us with medical supplies. We don't have enough resources to hospitalize patients. It won't work if the situation worsens like this. We've been slammed all day long and we are all breaking down. We cannot take it anymore. The patients were begging us desperately, but we couldn't do anything. They are dying right in front of our eyes. Therefore, please take every measure to protect yourselves at home. Don't EVER trust the government. We are on our own now."
 
Queues of trucks lining up to travel to Wuhan.
https://twitter.com/Secret_Beijing/status/1220865862342590464

Would be interesting to see the logistics of how they deliver supplies. Will supplies be dropped and the trucks leave before those within the quarantine area come to handle the supplies?

I did see another video where a traveler was permitted to enter Wuhan but was warned they will not be permitted to leave once they enter.
 
Shiloh said:
Worth a read: https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/coronavirus-canada-social-media-misinformation-1.5440334

'It plays to our worst fears': Coronavirus misinformation fuelled by social media
Experts say social media has increased the spread of misinformation during outbreaks
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The alternative perspective is that social media accurately reflect the actual experience to date.
China putting 50 million people into quarantine is an enormous signal that the worst fears are entirely appropriate.

Separately, the experience of the three infected Beijing doctors, one of whom merely attended a meeting sitting beside his colleague who had returned from Wuhan, shows that H2H transmission is rapid and efficient, so extreme concern is warranted, just as the social media claim.
 
Source: https://tech.sina.com.cn/digi/2020-01-26/doc-iihnzahk6350477.shtml

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IT House January 26 news WeChat Security Center released the "Announcement on the Special Treatment of Rumors Related to New Coronavirus Pneumonia", which is called to build a greener and healthier WeChat ecological environment, and will set up a special cleanup project related to "New Coronavirus Pneumonia" , Continue to strengthen the rectification; at the same time users are also welcome to complain about related rumors.

WeChat stated that it will resolutely and continuously crack down on rumor-like information: we have introduced professional third-party rumor removal agencies to rumor rumors on the platform; and in accordance with relevant national laws and regulations and the Tencent WeChat Software License and Service Agreement, WeChat Personal Account Use Relevant agreements and specifications, such as the Standards, delete the information content of violations, and impose a stepwise punishment on violating accounts according to the degree of violations, including but not limited to limiting or permanently blocking accounts or account functions.

WeChat Safety Center reminds: Be extra calm and rational before the epidemic situation. Users should learn about the epidemic information from disease control or medical institutions and authoritative news media. The relevant epidemic prevention information is subject to the official website of the provincial and municipal health and health committees. Do not listen to rumors and increase Unnecessary psychological burden, do not believe rumors or spread rumors, improve alertness and recognition.
Keywords: Epidemic rumors
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“Victims of deadly coronavirus could continue to pose a minor risk even after death, NHS staff have been warned. Public Health England have given doctors and nurses detailed advice on how to handle suspected cases with the virus, which has so far killed at least 56 people.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...paign=sharebar


There have been stories circulating about the bodies of the dead not being picked up at the hospital or homes. Also, I've not seen any stories/photos of funerals and I've only seen references to families being pressured to cremate their loved ones.
 
It takes ongoing effort by expert technicians to keep the electrical and water systems functioning. Many of those may now be unavailable.
Given the Wuhan situation, with 5 million people fewer than before the outbreak, according to the mayor, one would expect service disruptions, possibly increasing with time.
On top of that, many people in China are still poor and live hand to mouth, so they are abruptly made entirely destitute when the system balks, with no income, no heat and no food.
This risks becoming nightmarish, because even imposing martial law will not help when the soldiers themselves are equally likely to become victims.
 
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