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Some U.S. hospitals weigh withholding care to Ebola patients

Chicagogal

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http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/10/22/us-health-ebola-usa-interventions-idUKKCN0IB2OM20141022

he Ebola crisis is forcing the American healthcare system to consider the previously unthinkable: withholding some medical interventions because they are too dangerous to doctors and nurses and unlikely to help a patient.

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Their concern is that poorly trained or poorly equipped hospitals that perform invasive procedures will expose staff to bodily fluids of a patient when they are most infectious. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is working with kidney specialists on clinical guidelines for delivering dialysis to Ebola patients. The recommendations could come as early as this week.

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Because the world has almost no experience treating Ebola patients in state-of-the-art facilities rather than the rudimentary ones in Africa, there are no reliable data on when someone truly is beyond help, whether dialysis can make the difference between life and death, or even whether cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) can be done safely with proper protective equipment and protocols.

Such procedures "may have diminishing effectiveness as the severity of the disease increases, but we simply have no data on that," said Dr. G. Kevin Donovan, director of the bioethics center at Georgetown University.

Donovan said he had received inquiries from fellow physicians about whether hospitals should draw up lists of procedures that would not be performed on an Ebola patient. "To have a blanket refusal to offer these procedures is not ethically acceptable,? he said he told the doctors.
 
Re: Some U.S. hospitals weigh withholding care to Ebola patients

I read earlier someplace about designating one central hospital per state for Ebola cases. Does anyone know where that was mentioned?

I certainly understand why small hospitals might not want to treat ebola patients. There's a small hospital in my town that routinely refers out very difficult cases of all kinds to the nearest larger hospital that has a helicopter and more equipment & expertise with some things. But small hospitals probably shouldn't want to just refuse entry completely for all kinds of reasons, including public health. Instead, they could set up a triage area that can be thoroughly disinfected, away from the rest of the hospital, where a suspected ebola patient might wait for a short time while being tested, or wait for a short time to be evacuated out to the central hospital for ebola in the state.

I'm thinking of a small plain building, fairly empty except for some plastic &/or stainless steel furniture, that can be sprayed right down and independently drained into its own chemical sump, something like a camp toilet on a large scale with chemical decontaminants in the sump. Solid hypochlorite etc. I don't imagine it would be hard to set up, even in the northern part of the country, where the weather necessitates being indoors in the winter. It might be useful for other conditions too on occasion.

I wonder how many small communities have incinerators that are capable of taking care of contaminated paper goods etc? [Luckily this is not like nuclear waste. It can be burned at high temperature, low oxygen ratios and completely de-activated. It's organic material. Carbon is carbon.]

Perhaps each hospital might not want to do this, but could it happen county-wide or city-wide? The principle is that people are not turned away, or not turned away to search in vain, or turned away to search until it's too late for them. If a person is taken to an appropriate place in an appropriate time frame, and then transferred to a specialty institution as soon as possible, I think that's what's required, no? This could actually end up giving people a better option for a difficult disease, I think.
 
Re: Some U.S. hospitals weigh withholding care to Ebola patients

A portable triage/isolation trailer w contained effluent catchment...

Could also be deployed as part of the strategic national stockpile...

tents r ok in the tropics and US south but most of US needs heating good part of year.
 
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Nika--yes, absolutely. Such a thing could become part of good modern medicine in this day and age.

Seriously, someone with some time on their hands ought to invent a comfortable little insulated plastic shell trailer that has a floor drain, a sink and a built in modular bed and chair, such that the whole thing can be sprayed down lickety-split after a patient leaves it. With filtered intake/exhaust, heater/A/C and a chemical treatment tank that all the drains lead to, a timer and all the stuff necessary to do the job with a high degree of confidence. Along with directions on how to take care of paper waste and a paper patient care kit.
 
Re: Some U.S. hospitals weigh withholding care to Ebola patients

Seriously, someone with some time on their hands ought to invent a comfortable little insulated plastic shell trailer that has a floor drain, a sink and a built in modular bed and chair, such that the whole thing can be sprayed down lickety-split after a patient leaves it.

Hospitals have had these for a while:

http://www.imresponse.com/

I heard they were setting them up in the D.C. area already.
 
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.........Could also be deployed as part of the strategic national stockpile... .........

Where are the used FEMA trailers used after Hurricane Katrina? They might cost less than new construction.

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