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Reports of missed mild bird flu cases raise questions about scope of spread

Re: Reports of missed mild bird flu cases raise questions about scope of spread

Goju said:
gsgs - maybe it's... aliens. LOL

Ditto, Goju, I couldn't have said it better!

Dr. Niman, I hope you've been taking notes from gsgs's posts :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

gsgs, please don't disappoint me and stop posting. :whistle: Honestly, your posts are so funny that when I read them the tears of laughter stream down my face and I can hardly keep from falling out of my chair!
 
Re: Reports of missed mild bird flu cases raise questions about scope of spread

Goju said:
gsgs - maybe it's... aliens. LOL
Are aliens mammalian?

If so, what is the probability
that they are the reservoir?

Have they been
tested?


;)
 
Re: Reports of missed mild bird flu cases raise questions about scope of spread

Sharon, too funny. Mayhap I can ask the next one that drops in to give me a ride. ROFLMBO

I think Mellie is on the right track. Quail are looking more and more suspicious.
 
Re: Reports of missed mild bird flu cases raise questions about scope of spread

What is the total range of species that have been tested in Indonesia???

Wasn't it Karo where the WHO went in and claimed to test everything around the families house? So what did they test?

.
 
Re: Reports of missed mild bird flu cases raise questions about scope of spread

Florida1 said:
Are aliens mammalian?

......
;)

Of course not. They are avimammalantilians. They hatch from mucilaginous covered eggs. The young suckle until their fur transmorgrifies to feathers, and green/brown scales cover their heads which extend almost down to their beaks. They have strong hind legs for hopping (which taste like chicken when cooked), make deep reverberating throat noises, and are slimy to the touch. They have not yet been tested but their green blood is not thought to be conducive to harboring H5N1 strains. :D
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Re: Reports of missed mild bird flu cases raise questions about scope of spread

Laidback Al said:
Of course not. They are avimammalantilians. They hatch from mucilaginous covered eggs. The young suckle until their fur transmorgrifies to feathers, and green/brown scales cover their heads which extend almost down to their beaks. They have strong hind legs for hopping (which taste like chicken when cooked), make deep reverberating throat noises, and are slimy to the touch. They have not yet been tested but their green blood is not thought to be conducive to harboring H5N1 strains. :D
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I just found a picture of one...

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Actually, that was me taken this morning.:D
 
Re: Reports of missed mild bird flu cases raise questions about scope of spread

From yesterday...

"His illness was mild and he fully recovered."


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Avian influenza - situation in Iraq - update 5



19 September 2006

The Ministry of Health in Iraq has retrospectively confirmed the
country's third case of human infection with the H5N1 avian influenza
virus. The case, a 3-year-old boy, was hospitalized in Baghdad on 15
March 2006. His illness was mild and he fully recovered.

During its outbreak, which is now considered over, Iraq faced problems
in the shipment of specimens for external verification of diagnostic
tests. For the retrospectively confirmed case, initial test results were
inconclusive, possibly as a result of sample deterioration during
shipment. Repeated testing, using different methods, was needed for
diagnostic confirmation.

The two cases previously confirmed in Iraq occurred in January 2006.
Both cases were fatal.
 
FluWrap: Monitor 'H5N1 lite' for spread

FluWrap: Monitor 'H5N1 lite' for spread

By KATE WALKER
UPI Correspondent

LONDON, Sept. 20 (UPI) -- One of the major concerns inherent in the possible avian-influenza pandemic is the disease's extraordinarily high death rate, which is more than half of known cases. But officials are now questioning whether this is indeed the case.

Both South Korea and Indonesia have recently announced cases of avian-influenza infection in humans that were not identified until after the person in question had been infected by, and had recovered from, the disease.

At the moment, experts say, there has not been enough evidence of mild avian-influenza infection to drastically reduce the disease's mortality rate, nor even to revise it. But, they concur, the possibility merits further study.

Reduced virulence is a possible indicator that avian influenza is preparing itself to become more transmissible -- as this column has noted for the past 11 months, reduced virulence can lead to increased transmissibility, as diseases are less able to infect large swaths of people when they kill their host before the infection has been passed on -- and it is this fact that health officials wish to monitor more closely, especially as the rainy season in Southeast Asia and the autumnal bird migrations are likely to lead to increased reports of both avian and human infections.

Speaking over the weekend and cited by Canada's CBCNews, Dr. Michael Osterholm, avian-influenza expert and director of the University of Minnesota's Center for Infectious Diseases Research and Policy, said: "We need to keep monitoring it.

"Because, frankly, one of the indications that there may be a changing epidemiology with this is, in fact, if we start seeing larger and larger percentages of individuals who are asymptomatic or only mildly ill that we can clearly confirm as having H5N1 infection."


The Indonesian case, which was made public last week, involved a man who had blood tests for H5N1 performed. Although the man was not ill, the test results showed he had been infected with avian influenza, most likely earlier this year, when he cared for his sister, a confirmed bird-flu case.

While looking after his sister, the man had complained of abdominal pain and had suffered from a persistent cough, but his symptoms were so mild that he was not tested for signs of H5N1 infection.

In South Korea five workers who had culled infected poultry between 2003 and 2004 -- out of more than 2,000 who were submitted to blood tests -- were found to have H5N1 antibodies in their blood, a sure sign that they had been infected with the disease at some stage, although none displayed avian-flu symptoms at the time.

While these cases were no doubt lucky to have survived avian flu, and to have suffered from it so mildly, they may in turn be the key to finding a cure for the disease that -- using current rates of infection and mortality -- has killed nearly 60 percent of known cases.

What remains now is for more work to be done into investigating why these lucky few were not only capable of fighting the disease, but did so without even knowing they were infected.

--

The World Health Organization and Indonesia are at odds over what constitutes a human case of avian influenza. The disagreement follows an earlier redefining of human avian-influenza infection in humans by the WHO, which saw the number of confirmed Indonesian cases rise.

The Indonesian Health Ministry has so far abstained from adopting the new definition of bird-flu infection. This refusal will not change the global infection statistics, however, as the official figures are those released by the WHO.

Santoso Soeroso, head of the Health Ministry's avian-influenza verification team, explained that the WHO's definition has been altered so that it is less restrictive, meaning that cases of bird-flu infection can, in theory, be identified and treated earlier.

According to the new WHO standards, those suffering from acute lower respiratory infections -- difficulty breathing, shortness of breath, fever and cough -- should be treated as possible cases of avian influenza.

The Indonesian Health Ministry currently uses acute higher respiratory infection as a sign of possible bird flu.

Soeroso said: "It's like catching fish with big-holed nets. We may be able to identify possible cases when patients reach the stage that the flu is incurable."

--

According to a report in the Financial Times over the weekend, the current Thai political crisis that has resulted in the government being deposed in a bloodless military coup may have contributed to the spread of avian influenza in the country.

Thailand had been working hard to combat the spread of avian influenza in the country's poultry, and until earlier this year it appeared that their efforts had been effective. But an outbreak in poultry along the Mekong River on the Laotian border earlier this summer showed that the virus was still present in a country believed to have defeated it.

Dr. David Nabarro, the United Nations' senior coordinator for avian influenza, told the Financial Times that he thought the changing political face of Thailand -- whose parliament was dissolved earlier this year by former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, who was ousted this week in a bloodless coup -- may have contributed to the disease's re-emergence.

"You don't maintain control over this disease unless there is regular top-level direction from a committed senior political figure that wants to be sure that the necessary activities are being undertaken," Nabarro said.


http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDaily/view.php?StoryID=20060920-123047-5547r
 
FluWrap: Monitor 'H5N1 Lite' For Spread

FluWrap: Monitor 'H5N1 Lite' For Spread

FluWrap: Monitor 'H5N1 Lite' For Spread
One of the major concerns inherent in the possible avian-influenza pandemic is the disease's extraordinarily high death rate, which is more than half of known cases. But officials are now questioning whether this is indeed the case. Both South Korea and Indonesia have recently announced cases of avian-influenza infection in humans that were not identified until after the person in question had been infected by, and had recovered from, the disease.

At the moment, experts say, there has not been enough evidence of mild avian-influenza infection to drastically reduce the disease's mortality rate, nor even to revise it. But, they concur, the possibility merits further study.

Reduced virulence is a possible indicator that avian influenza is preparing itself to become more transmissible -- as this column has noted for the past 11 months, reduced virulence can lead to increased transmissibility, as diseases are less able to infect large swaths of people when they kill their host before the infection has been passed on -- and it is this fact that health officials wish to monitor more closely, especially as the rainy season in Southeast Asia and the autumnal bird migrations are likely to lead to increased reports of both avian and human infections.

Speaking over the weekend and cited by Canada's CBCNews, Dr. Michael Osterholm, avian-influenza expert and director of the University of Minnesota's Center for Infectious Diseases Research and Policy, said: "We need to keep monitoring it.

"Because, frankly, one of the indications that there may be a changing epidemiology with this is, in fact, if we start seeing larger and larger percentages of individuals who are asymptomatic or only mildly ill that we can clearly confirm as having H5N1 infection."

The Indonesian case, which was made public last week, involved a man who had blood tests for H5N1 performed. Although the man was not ill, the test results showed he had been infected with avian influenza, most likely earlier this year, when he cared for his sister, a confirmed bird-flu case.

While looking after his sister, the man had complained of abdominal pain and had suffered from a persistent cough, but his symptoms were so mild that he was not tested for signs of H5N1 infection.

In South Korea five workers who had culled infected poultry between 2003 and 2004 -- out of more than 2,000 who were submitted to blood tests -- were found to have H5N1 antibodies in their blood, a sure sign that they had been infected with the disease at some stage, although none displayed avian-flu symptoms at the time.

While these cases were no doubt lucky to have survived avian flu, and to have suffered from it so mildly, they may in turn be the key to finding a cure for the disease that -- using current rates of infection and mortality -- has killed nearly 60 percent of known cases.

What remains now is for more work to be done into investigating why these lucky few were not only capable of fighting the disease, but did so without even knowing they were infected.

--

The World Health Organization and Indonesia are at odds over what constitutes a human case of avian influenza. The disagreement follows an earlier redefining of human avian-influenza infection in humans by the WHO, which saw the number of confirmed Indonesian cases rise.

The Indonesian Health Ministry has so far abstained from adopting the new definition of bird-flu infection. This refusal will not change the global infection statistics, however, as the official figures are those released by the WHO.

Santoso Soeroso, head of the Health Ministry's avian-influenza verification team, explained that the WHO's definition has been altered so that it is less restrictive, meaning that cases of bird-flu infection can, in theory, be identified and treated earlier.

According to the new WHO standards, those suffering from acute lower respiratory infections -- difficulty breathing, shortness of breath, fever and cough -- should be treated as possible cases of avian influenza.


The Indonesian Health Ministry currently uses acute higher respiratory infection as a sign of possible bird flu.

Soeroso said: "It's like catching fish with big-holed nets. We may be able to identify possible cases when patients reach the stage that the flu is incurable."

--

According to a report in the Financial Times over the weekend, the current Thai political crisis that has resulted in the government being deposed in a bloodless military coup may have contributed to the spread of avian influenza in the country.

Thailand had been working hard to combat the spread of avian influenza in the country's poultry, and until earlier this year it appeared that their efforts had been effective. But an outbreak in poultry along the Mekong River on the Laotian border earlier this summer showed that the virus was still present in a country believed to have defeated it.

Dr. David Nabarro, the United Nations' senior coordinator for avian influenza, told the Financial Times that he thought the changing political face of Thailand -- whose parliament was dissolved earlier this year by former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, who was ousted this week in a bloodless coup -- may have contributed to the disease's re-emergence.

"You don't maintain control over this disease unless there is regular top-level direction from a committed senior political figure that wants to be sure that the necessary activities are being undertaken," Nabarro said.
 
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