Miami U: Kimi Young and Matt Healey not A/H1N1

[Shiloh]

Two Miami University students have died. Initially thought to be A/H1N1...

Kimi Young: http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=126236&highlight=miami

Matt Healey: http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=126664

 

[alert]

Re: Miami U: Kimi Young and Matt Healey not A/H1N1

This is interesting. Two deaths in the same college (Miami of Ohio), both suspected H1N1, but later denied. I think this is probably H1N1, but I wonder about other agents. Perhaps the school has a bacterial meningitis outbreak on its hand?

 

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Re: Miami U: Kimi Young and Matt Healey not A/H1N1

This article says that Young was not a current student, but a recent graduate.

http://www.wlwt.com/health/21239058/detail.html

Miami U. Freshman Didn't Die Of H1N1
Matthew Healey Tested Negative For Virus
POSTED: 12:16 pm EDT October 8, 2009
UPDATED: 12:59 pm EDT October 8, 2009

CINCINNATI -- A Miami University freshman did not die from H1N1 flu, as previously reported.

Matthew Healey, 18, was a student at Miami University. He died on Sept. 26.

The Ohio Department of Health confirmed Thursday that Healey tested negative for the H1N1 virus.

Healey was from Hingham, Mass. Friends and family told WCVB in Boston last month that Healey had become ill shortly after arriving at Miami University in September.

Healey's is the second case in Butler County that was originally reported as H1N1 only to have the virus later ruled out as a cause of death.

Kimi Young, 22, died on Sept. 22. It was later determined that she died of viral pneumonia. Young was a graduate of Miami University

 

[Shiloh]

Re: Miami U: Kimi Young and Matt Healey not A/H1N1

We have opened this forum for people who have died of pneumonia and influenza like illness that were suspected A/H1N1 cases that have been unproven

 

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Re: Miami U: Kimi Young and Matt Healey not A/H1N1

It is a good idea to track these cases, in case something else pops up, or in case testing fails. This link indicates that Healey tested positive for influenza A, but negative for H1N1. I think it is clear that what is wrong here is the H1N1 test.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news...udent-dies-from-flu-complications-337602.html

Even within the same state, different counties and different hospitals will vary greatly in the ability and willingness to test for H1N1. I suspect this county doesn't want to (or can't) confirm H1N1.

 

[sharon sanders]

Re: Miami U: Kimi Young and Matt Healey not A/H1N1

We have opened this forum for people who have died of pneumonia and influenza like illness that were suspected A/H1N1 cases that have been unproven

Thanks Shiloh!

We have no choice since many entities are not testing for flu. We must now track based on the symptoms.

Pneumonias that progress from a fever or ILI instead of a cold (rhinovirus) are candidates for this forum.

 

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Re: Miami U: Kimi Young and Matt Healey not A/H1N1

I believe we should also move that large Puebla atypical pneumonia thread to this forum as well, because those are the same kind of cases.

 

[Blue]

Re: Miami U: Kimi Young and Matt Healey not A/H1N1

Two Miami University students have died. Initially thought to be A/H1N1...

Kimi Young: http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=126236&highlight=miami

Matt Healey: http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=126664

Could it be that the testing is not accurate due to a change in the virus?

It seems rather odd that one of these patients was positive for Type A
but it is not swine flu, and then it is not typed...

 

[Vibrant62]

Re: Miami U: Kimi Young and Matt Healey not A/H1N1

Blue - a reassortant or antigenic drift is bound to happen sooner or later, so until disproven, a new viral subtype or mutated strain has to be high on the list of probabilities.

Addendum - if they have conducted a post mortem then it is almost certain that they have tested as throoughly as they can for Pandemic H1N1 as it is the most likely cause, and will have run similar tests against the known seasonal strains. If it is positive for flu A (as reported) I would hope samples are being sent for sequence anlaysis.

 

[Alexis]

Re: Miami U: Kimi Young and Matt Healey not A/H1N1

My daughter had the H1N1 virus, 21 year old college student. She tested positive for A but negative for H1N1. My husband who is a family practice doctor sees the H1N1 all day. If you have the flu 99% are H1N1. Forget about what the test comes back! I can tell you she was very sick and Tamiflu started within 12 hours was absolutely helpful. The flu comes on fast and some don't have the cough or runny nose but a sore throat. Secondary infections are what you have to worry about. Her white count was way high and also took antibiotics. Strep came back negative which even closed the case more it was H1N1 and not strep. Do take this flu serious. Its your health be proactive!

 

[Shiloh]

Re: Miami U: Kimi Young and Matt Healey not A/H1N1

Source: http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/hingham/2009/10/elizabeth_healey_matthews_moth.html

Hingham
Dispute over the death of Hingham teenager
) Posted October 9, 2009 07:48 PM

By L.E. Crowley, Town correspondent

Nearly two weeks after the death of Matthew Healey, a dispute is swirling over the illness that took his life.

Ohio health officials said this week that the Hingham teenager, who fell ill shortly after starting school at Miami University in Ohio, did not test positive for the H1N1 virus. But Healey?s mother continues to insist that her son did have swine flu, and the family wants to set the record straight.

Brett Atkins, a spokesman with the Ohio Department of Health, said in a telephone interview Friday that he cannot comment specifically about Healey?s case because of privacy laws. But he confirmed that Healey?s death has not been reported as a swine flu death with the state or the federal Centers for Disease Control.

?Butler County has not had a second case of swine flu death,? Atkins said. The state's first lab-confirmed death, he said, occurred in the spring, before Healey began college.

Healey, 18, a healthy and active young man, graduated from Thayer Academy in Braintree in the spring. He became ill shortly after arriving at the Miami University campus, which is in Butler County, and died on Sept. 26. According to media reports in Ohio, Healy?s death certificate lists the cause of death as acute respiratory failure syndrome.

In an interview Friday, Elizabeth Healey, Matthew?s mother, took issue with Ohio officials. ?This is an incredibly painful thing we have gone through and what they?re saying is erroneous and irresponsible,? Healey said. ?As far as we were concerned, it was a private, particularly painful family tragedy, and somewhere along the line our privacy was violated.??

Commenting on the official cause of death, Healey said that acute respiratory failure explains one aspect of the illness, but does not accurately record the root cause. ?He did have H1N1,? Healey said. ?To say he didn?t smacks of a cover-up.??

The cause of death ?matters because it is the truth,? Healey said. ?It?s to honor Matthew?s memory and his life. To say he didn?t die of H1N1 is false.?

She said the test taken when Matthew was first brought to the hospital showed a Type A influenza virus, which in the strain that public health officials consider the H1N1 swine flu virus.
?Never, ever, ever in three weeks was it anything other than H1N1,? Healey said.

The latest comments from Ohio officials, Healey said, are based on a test that was taken weeks after Matthew had been in complete isolation. Everyone?doctors, staff, and relatives?knew the test would not show H1N1, Healey said. The only reason the test was taken was to prove the virus was no longer present, so hospital staff could remove protective face masks and eye shields when attending Matthew.

Healey said the family has contacted Ohio officials to clarify their comments and base their conclusions on the first test.

She said the family could file a lawsuit based on privacy laws, but what it really wants is for the death to be recorded and reported for what it was--H1N1 swine flu. Then relatives can recede out of the public spotlight and grieve for their loss without having to clarify officials? statements and field calls from reporters all over the country.

?You can?t imagine what it has been like trying to deal with this loss and having to deal with all of this, too,? Healey said.

Thomas Skinner, a spokesman for the Centers for Disease Control, said it is not uncommon for flu deaths to be reported as something other than flu, such as respiratory failure or pneumonia.

"There are a lot of variables out there of what they are testing and reporting," Skinner said. He said there are ?rapid? nasal swab tests that are taken at hospitals when a person is first brought in. Those tests are plagued with false positives and false negatives.

Days or weeks later, Skinner said, more specific and reliable tests could be taken, but the virus could disappear, depending on the passage of time or how the culture is stored while being transported to a lab.

?If there was an initial indication of a Type A influenza strain, you can bet it?s probably 2009 H1N1 influenza,? Skinner said.

In the end, Skinner said, the official cause of death is not what's important. ?We know we have a virulent flu outbreak and it?s taking people?s lives,? he said.