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Egypt - 9 children ill, 3 children die allegedly from a treatment error - Hurghada, Red Sea govenorate

Re: Egypt - Team from Ministry of Health Investigating Deaths of 3 Children from Unknown Disease, 1 Improving - Tests Pending, in Hurghada, Red Sea govenorate

Re: Egypt - Team from Ministry of Health Investigating Deaths of 3 Children from Unknown Disease, 1 Improving - Tests Pending, in Hurghada, Red Sea govenorate

Sounds about right...

https://www.facebook.com/home.php?s...582025932#!/home.php?sk=group_213225302031260

Shared from Mohamed Afify Ali >>
Title: "panic or not from Encephalitis in Hurghada"

Arabic translation below

Regarding the fear that all Hurghada residents had, I would like to explain shortly and concisely the problem from my point of view. all agreed that the 3 dead cases had meningoencephalitis.

it can occur, but, 3 questions had to be asked:

was that infections viral or bacterial?
was that outbreak or sporadic cases and no fear from transmission?
is there any need to vaccinate, and which vaccine is important?

At 1st' we don't know till now, but as ministry of health stated that only H1N1, H5N1 -ve, and further tests will be done.

outbreaks occur if more than 3 cases appeared in a community and till now they were just 3 cases, soooo, no need for fear till now.

vaccinate or not, it is confusing for many people. bacterial causes of meningoencephalitis are mainly HIB, PNEUMOCOCCUS, MENINGOCOCCUS.

viral causes are many but no vaccine are available for it and rarely caused outbreaks, bur the 3 main causes of bacteria there are vaccines for it.

soooo, till now, no need to worry, waiting for the ministry of health report tomorrow or after tomorrow as they stated!!!

gossips are alot, i made that group mainly to be in touch with recent news fromtrusted sources and inform you. May ALLAH save our children and save Egypt.

Dr.Mohamed Afify
 
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Re: Egypt - Team from Ministry of Health Investigating Deaths of 3 Children from Unknown Disease, 1 Improving - Tests Pending, in Hurghada, Red Sea govenorate

http://www.masress.com/youm7/415430

"Health": the Declaration on the outcome of analysis of samples of "virus Hurghada" within days

Dana Railway
18 - 05-2011

Dr.. Mohammed Gnade, Head of Central Department for Preventive Affairs, Ministry of Health and Population, the "seventh day", there has been no deaths or cases of infection is strange, which led to the deaths of 3 children, and wounded a child a fourth port of Hurghada, pointing out that the non-appearance of Other stresses that the situation is reassuring, but pointing out that the result of analysis of samples have been collected, will appear within a few days and will be announced.

He pointed out that immediately after the announcement of the death of 3 children at the same time, the dawn of Sunday, Hospital El Gouna in Hurghada, the impact of being infected with Ghraib led to a rise in temperature and not to fall, although given drugs antipyretic, has been the formation of a delegation from the departments of infectious diseases and epidemiology and surveillance, and diets and the central administration for the plants, where went to Hurghada and the procedures of inquiry, a collection of samples from the children of the deceased and those around them and the hospital staff.

He pointed out that samples are collected from those who develop high temperature, to ascertain the cause of the injury, especially with the multiplicity of reasons that lead to this presentation, led by virus infection or infection in the body or brain, but he stressed that no outbreaks of other similar to those that led to the deaths of children.

He explained that the procedures of inquiry by a delegation of the ministry in Hurghada is still ongoing, and will not be completed until the advent of the final results of the analysis of samples the central administration for the plants, which is scheduled to appear within days.

It is worth mentioning that the children of the deceased are Mary Wagdy Abdel-Malak (5 months) and Bijoy Nazi Maher (one year and 3 months) and Fatima Mohammed Ahmed Ali (11 years), while the patient is Cindy Samy Ramzy.
 
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Re: Egypt - Team from Ministry of Health Investigating Deaths of 3 Children from Unknown Disease, 1 Improving - Tests Pending, in Hurghada, Red Sea govenorate

The doctor says "all agreed". I believe that his source is being verified since no statement from the Ministry of Health has been made public.

So, basically, we still don't know what the cause of the 3 deaths is.

It is encouraging that it appears this is not a widespread outbreak as no additional deaths or cases have been confirmed.

People should follow safety practices as a standard everyday. Here are a few:

Wash hands frequently,
Prepare food under sterile conditions,
Keep away from people who are sick,
Maintain a few feet distance from others when in public,
Try not to be bitten by mosquitoes.
 
Re: Egypt - Team from Ministry of Health Investigating Deaths of 3 Children from Unknown Disease, 1 Improving - Tests Pending, in Hurghada, Red Sea govenorate

Re: Egypt - Team from Ministry of Health Investigating Deaths of 3 Children from Unknown Disease, 1 Improving - Tests Pending, in Hurghada, Red Sea govenorate

This is from Dr. Osama, is extremely recent (the past couple hours), and may indicate that the "fourth case" (the one that is improving) in the initial and several other posts is suspected not to have whatever illness killed the three cases.

This also is a refutation of some of the rumors of other additional cases reported in the Facebook group.

http://www.boswtol.com/politics/news/11/may/19/33864

The death of 3 children in the city of El Gouna in Hurghada, a strange disease بص وطل Bos and divorced أخبار News آخر تحديث PM 04:24:45 Last Updated PM 04:24:45

May

19

2011

Denied, Undersecretary of the Ministry of Health, the Red Sea Governorate presence of the disease caused the deaths of 3 children

. Denied Dr. Osama Abdel-Azim - Undersecretary of the Ministry of Health, the Red Sea Governorate - there are no new cases of the disease caused the deaths of 3 children in the city of El Gouna in Hurghada.

And said in a statement distributed by the Ministry of Health today (Thursday) the existence of multiple instances of experiencing a rise in temperature, nor do they have any symptoms similar to cases of death.

The results of the analysis conducted on all cases experiencing a rise in temperature have proven [not?] to be infected with swine flu in birds, according to the Middle East News Agency.

He said Abdel Azim, was the work of environmental survey, healthy and sick full of all the contacts and the surrounding cases of death, the cities of El Gouna and Hurghada, was to ensure that all cases in which the back of the rise in temperature does not suffer any disease is not known nor ambiguous, but diseases of summer, the usual; such as respiratory diseases and diseases Digestive and intestinal catarrh.
 
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Re: Egypt - Team from Ministry of Health Investigating Deaths of 3 Children from Unknown Disease, Not H1N1 or H5N1, Tests Pending, in Hurghada, Red Sea govenorate

http://www.youm7.com/News.asp?NewsID=416415&SecID=65&IssueID=167

"Health" has been denying the existence of new infections with [the virus] Hurghada
الخميس، 19 مايو 2011 - 17:29 Thursday, May 19, 2011 - 17:29


Minister of Health. Ashraf Hatem

Denied d. Osama Abdel-Azim, Undersecretary of the Ministry of Health, the Red Sea Governorate, the existence of any new cases of disease, the mysterious, which caused the deaths of 3 children and injuring a child in the city of El Gouna in Hurghada, pointing to the existence of multiple instances is suffering from high temperature only, without any of the symptoms similar to the cases of death, and that the results of the analysis, which have had proven that they do not Bverosy swine flu or influenza.

He added that it was the work of environmental survey, healthy and sick full of all the contacts and the surrounding cases of death, the cities of El Gouna and Hurghada, was to ensure that all cases hit by the rise in temperature does not suffer from any diseases of unknown or ambiguous, but diseases of summer, the usual such as chest diseases and digestive system colds and upset stomachs.
 
"Health" and denying the death of children "Red Sea" a rare virus

"Health" and denying the death of children "Red Sea" a rare virus

ا:10​
Monday, May 30, 2011 - 13:10

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Dr. Amr Kandil, First Undersecretary of the Ministry of Health for Preventive Medicine of the Red Sea that the children who died in hospital the Sunday before last after a high temperature are not infected with any viral disease or a virus as rare encounter but the most common admission to hospital at the same time. The lamp "for the seventh day" that the ministry has done a fact-full sampling and wipes to find out possible causes of symptoms and death with the work of the intensification of surveillance to detect any similar cases in the symptoms at the level of hospitals, the Red Sea, has been the work of the emergency room for 24 hours, doctors diets and the observers Health Region El Gouna, did not prove injury in any virus.

The Undersecretary of the Ministry of Health for Preventive Medicine of cases that died did not reside in one house or building with one and the distance between the residential units of the cases of 1 km, a residential areas separate, and does not go these children to the role of joint custody, pointing out that all close contacts of cases of the three do not have any symptoms satisfactory.

He jellyfish to the absence of any outbreak of any epidemic disease and there is no viral disease, but to maintain their entry coincides with one hospital, has been converted subject to public prosecution to investigate some of the actions that took place for them inside the hospital.
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Re: Egypt - Team from Ministry of Health Investigating Deaths of 3 Children from Unknown Disease, Not H1N1 or H5N1, Tests Pending, in Hurghada, Red Sea govenorate

From the facebook group:

https://www.facebook.com/home.php?s...582025932#!/home.php?sk=group_213225302031260

Dr. Amr Kandil, First Undersecretary of the Ministry of Health for Preventive Medicine, Monday, that all actions of the surveillance, analysis and examination of the El Gouna Red Sea confirmed the area is free... of any outbreak of an epidemic of any disease, and that there is any disease viral, and after that 3 children died in El Gouna because of what has been said that «a viral disease that is known and that in case of epidemic».

Qandeel said that after discussion and study of the position of those cases with the medical team and a team investigation and the results of different samples that were taken, it was noted that the sole common factor among these children is entering the hospital and one may therefore transmit subject to public prosecution to check on some of the actions that took place Bouksosm within the hospital .

The lamp to the statement of the Ministry of Health and Population on Sunday, May 15 from the Directorate of Health Affairs, the Red Sea from the report of the death of 3 children ages 5 months, 11 months, a year and 3 months, after the rise in temperature.

He added that once the reporting team was formed from the territory of preventive went immediately to preserve and investigate the truth of the situation and the possibilities that causes it, and pulled samples and swabs from the children to find out possible causes of their deaths with the intensification of surveillance to detect any similar cases in the symptoms at the level of hospitals, the Red Sea.

Kandil and declared an emergency room for 24 hours of doctors diets and health area of El Gouna observers.

Ruled out the lamp idea of the epidemic because the «cases who died do not reside in one house or building with one and the distance between the residential units of the cases one kilometer, the residential areas separate», adding that these children go to nurseries are different, and all contacts of the three cases did not show any symptoms satisfactory from the beginning of the first of May until May 15.

He added that he has to review and study the frequency rates of patients to hospitals, compared to previous months and also for the same period of last year, found to be within normal range.See More
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you are right, my colleague has just translated it to me. they did no find a viral or microbal infectious disease. the only common thing the 3 cases have is the fact that they were brought to El Gouna hospital, so now they will investigate IF that was the cause of death. (in the sence that they will find out if it was human error or poor hygene, or perhaps bad medication)

13 minutes ago
 
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The deaths of the 3 children is being referred to the prosecutor as a treatment error.

machine translation -

l Gouna Hospital officials referred to the prosecution because of the death of 3 children
Wednesday, June 8, 2011 - 16:01

Prosecutor-General Abdel Meguid Mahmoud
Red Sea - Hassan Mukhtar

Ordered the Attorney-General Counselor Abdel Meguid Mahmoud, to refer the hospital officials in Hurghada, El Gouna, to the prosecution for causing the deaths of 3 children last month.

Investigation proved the Ministry of Health that the cause of the death of three children, is the use of alcohol in the work compresses instead of cold water, causing leakage of alcohol through the pores of the skin to the blood, and after that, Dr. Amr Kandil, Chief of Preventive Medicine, Ministry of Health, transmitted Hospital El Gouna the public prosecutor.

States that he died 3 children are Mary's Hospital El Gouna Wagdy Abdel-Malak, 5 months and Bishoy Club year and a half and Fatima Mohamed Ahmed 11 years old, and medical tests proved they were not viruses, and method of treatment is the error that caused the death.

An official at the El Gouna Hospital, declined to be named, they are not specialists in the diseases of dietary intervention, therefore, asked the Department of Health in the Red Sea and to bring the consultants in internal medicine and diets.

http://www.youm7.com/News.asp?NewsID=430932&SecID=203&IssueID=168
 
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Re: Egypt - 3 children die allegedly from a treatment error - Hurghada, Red Sea govenorate

Wow, Sharon. Thank you for staying on this story over the past three weeks.
 
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Re: Egypt - 3 children die allegedly from a treatment error - Hurghada, Red Sea govenorate

Thank you to the entire team here at FT for everything that you are doing.

:applause:


I am not familiar with the judicial system in Egypt but they must feel they have a fairly strong case if they are moving forward with criminal prosecution. I am not sure how much alcohol would cause a death by seeping through the skin but it must have been a lot. :confused:
 
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Re: Egypt - 3 children die allegedly from a treatment error - Hurghada, Red Sea govenorate

My guess, given the discussion of body temperature reaching 35 degrees in the facebook group, is that all the alcohol probably produced too much evaporative cooling, and the babies may have died of something resembling hypothermia.

The article is not clear as to which "alcohol" is involved. Ethanol would also explain the neurological symptoms involved, but it is less clear what that would be doing in a hospital. Methanol might be used as a disinfectant, and would be fairly toxic.
 
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Re: Egypt - 3 children die allegedly from a treatment error - Hurghada, Red Sea govenorate

And this today.....The hospital may have been short staffed...?? Please also see this thread for reference:

Egypt - Doctors, Nurses, Temporary Health Workers Strike Intermittently for Better Pay and Working Conditions


Dr. Ashraf Hatem decided Minister of Health and Population to refer four doctors in Hurghada to the Administrative Prosecution, after they refused to appear for investigation by the Legal Affairs Ministry, and on the back on strike and stop them to their colleagues for their work.


http://www.youm7.com/News.asp?NewsID=431484&SecID=97&IssueID=168
 
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Re: Egypt - 3 children die allegedly from a treatment error - Hurghada, Red Sea govenorate

This is from a source other than Youm7, and essentially agrees with the Youm7 report that alcohol poisoning as a result of a medical error was the cause of death.

I am posting both the original Arabic as well as an English translation for obvious reasons.

http://www.masress.com/misrelgdida/63887

The death of three children, hospital Hurghada

بهاء عمر Bahaa Omar
مصر الجديدة : 09 - 06 - 2011 Heliopolis: 09 - 06-2011

حاتم الجبلي وزير الصحة The woman and the Minister of Health

أكد الدكتور أسامة عبد العظيم، وكيل وزارة الصحة بالبحر الأحمر، أن تقرير اللجنة الخاصة بمتابعة أسباب وفاة 3 أطفال بمستشفي الجونة بالغردقة، والذي صدر عن قسم الوبانيات والترصد بالوزارة، كشف أن استخدام الاطباء هيئة التمريض المعالجين للاطفال لكمادات تحتوي علي مادة الكحول لخفض درجة حرارة الأطفال بدلاً من المياه الباردة، أحدث تاثيرا على الأطفال من خلال وصول الكحول إلى الدم عبر المسام، مما ضاعف من الالتهابات المصاب بها الأطفال. Dr. Osama Abdel-Azim, Undersecretary of the Ministry of Health, the Red Sea, the report of the Special Committee to follow up the causes of the death of 3 Children's Hospital, El Gouna in Hurghada, which is issued by the Department Alopanjat and surveillance in the ministry, revealed that the use of doctors, nursing staff therapists for children to compresses containing material and alcohol to reduce the temperature of children instead of cold water, the most recent impact on children through access to alcohol blood through the pores, which was compounded by inflammation of the infected children.

وأضاف عبد العظيم أن نيابة الغردقة بدأت التحقيق في هذه الواقعة بعد قرار الدكتور أشرف حاتم وزير الصحة بإحالة التقرير الطبي الخاص بالأطفال للنيابة، واستدعاء الأطباء وهيئة التمريض الذين شاركوا في علاج الأطفال قبل وفاتهم لسماع أقوالهم ومواجهتهم بما جاء في التقرير. He said Abdul Azim said on behalf of Hurghada have begun investigating the incident after the decision, Dr Ashraf Hatem, Minister of Health to refer the medical report your children to the prosecution, and call the doctors and nursing staff who participated in the treatment of children before their deaths to be heard and confront what is mentioned in the report.

كانت مستشفي الجونة بالغردقة شهدت وفاة 3 أطفال رضع خلال الشهر الماضي دون معرفة أسباب الوفاة. The hospital in Hurghada, El Gouna has seen the death of 3 babies during the last month without knowing the cause of death.
 
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Re: Egypt - 3 children die allegedly from a treatment error - Hurghada, Red Sea govenorate

A nurse at the hospital has posted the following response in the facebook group, raising questions as to the validity of the above reports:

https://www.facebook.com/home.php?s...25302031260&view=permalink&id=219102121443578

"Its not true...very simple..."
 
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Re: Egypt - 3 children die allegedly from a treatment error - Hurghada, Red Sea govenorate

Not presented for the facts of the information but presented because this is published in a major Egyptian news media.


machine translation -


Start of the investigation into the death of three children, El Gouna Hospital
Sunday, June 12, 2011 - 12:39

Started investigations on behalf of the District of Hurghada on the reasons for the deaths of three infants hospital in Hurghada, El Gouna.

Heard by Justice Mohamed Ramadan chief prosecutor on the statements of Dr. Mohammed Rifai, director of Preventive Medicine, Department of Health, Dr. Mohammed Abdel Aal Bahnasi Director of the Department of Endemic Diseases Department of Health, the actions taken by the Directorate when their knowledge of cases of death.

And listened to the parents of the children, and ask them about the beginning of the disease, and stages of treatment which has been in hospital.

Were also summoned Dr. Samir Rifai, director of the Epidemiology and Surveillance Ministry of Health, to discuss the report prepared by the ministry, which consists of (30) and paper, and Dr Jihan Ahmed Samy and Dr. Ihab Tadharos and Dr. Alphonse Samuel, and nursing staff, consisting of Gihan Kelani and Hala Ahmed Saber, and a nurse Bulgarian called Sandy.

Identification of the report of the Ministry of Health, that doctors and nurses have used Towel size 5X 12 cm, in the work of compresses of Article ethanol, under the armpit and on the thighs and the head area, which led to drink the pores of skin of alcohol to reach the blood through the tissue, causing in death, because it is not permissible to use alcohol in the work compresses to less than four years.

Has been charged of serious medical neglect, which led to the death, the doctors and nursing staff Hospital El Gouna.


http://www.youm7.com/News.asp?NewsID=433402&SecID=203&IssueID=168
 
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Re: Egypt - 3 children die allegedly from a treatment error - Hurghada, Red Sea govenorate

Evidently 9 children were sick with the same symptoms of the 3 that died:

machine translation -

Connect on behalf of Hurghada District under the supervision of Judge Mohammed al-Yassin, the Attorney General for the prosecutions of the Red Sea investigations on the causes of the death of 3 children El Gouna Hospital last month.

Heard by Justice Mohamed Ramadan chief prosecutor on the statements of Dr. Samir Rifai, director of the Epidemiology Unit and the Ministry of Health surveillance, which was called twice and the longer the period of questioning for more than 6 hours, as was confirmed during the investigation that the preparation of the report took a week, and it has been examined hospital records and the number of children who entered the same symptoms similar rise in temperature and show that the number 9 children were not only the use of alcohol with three children who died.

Was also inquire about the reason for presence of Dr. Mohammed Rifai, director of Preventive Medicine, Department of Health and Dr. Abdel-Aal Bahnasi unit director of surveillance and epidemiology in the committee, which dealt with the hospital to answer that the department of Preventive directorates in constant contact with the ministry to their knowledge of places and circumstances surrounding the geographical scope of their work.

And science of the "seventh day" had been summoned Dr. Sami Eisawy member of the Committee and the Ministry of Health, which prepared the final report to determine the reasons which led to the death of three children of El Gouna and make sure there is no outbreak of an epidemic.

It is noteworthy that on behalf of Hurghada has heard the statements of the parents of three children of the deceased are Mary Wagdy Abdel-Malak, 5 months _ Bishoy Club year and 3 months _ Fatima Mohamed Ahmed, 11 months, have also been listening to the words of a specialist children's hospital, Dr. El Gouna - Ahmad Sami.

http://www.youm7.com/News.asp?NewsID=434323&
 
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As an aside - in the same governorate - a mass arrest of 223 people, only 4 for drugs.....

Adjust 223 in the case of a security crackdown in the Red Sea
Monday, June 13, 2011 - 15:07

Launched the Security Directorate of the Red Sea security crackdown glass, led by Maj. Gen. Emad Nazik Assistant Interior Minister for the South-level, and under the supervision of Major General Abdul Aziz copper Security Director of the Red Sea, which resulted in the seizure of 223 case, including 4 cases of drug abuse and 39 on the run from the provisions of 29 the issue of ethics.

http://www.youm7.com/News.asp?NewsID=434284&
 
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Also in the same governorate - same area.....

Tourism officials in the Red Sea to pin their sit-in until the return of Hossam poet
Monday, June 13, 2011 - 01:26

The staff room travel and tourism companies in the Red Sea, to suspend their sit-in until the arrival of Hossam poet Chairman rooms tourism companies in Egypt to travel.

The staff will return to their sit-in until they respond to their demands for better salaries and health care, with stop dealing with Omar Abdel Samie, Vice Chairman of the steering committee of the Business Branch of Hurghada, and the transfer of Omar Fawaz Director of Legal Affairs to the room of Sharm el-Sheikh, and to stop dealing with him.

http://www.youm7.com/News.asp?NewsID=433947&SecID=296&IssueID=168
 
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machine translation -

I believe they have ordered autopsies:

Started on behalf of Hurghada, led by Mohamed Ramadan investigating three reports of medical negligence which led to the deaths of 5 cases including 4 children were treated in 3 private hospitals in Hurghada .. And decided by Justice Mohamed Yassin, the Attorney General for the prosecutions of the Red Sea, scar Coroner to dissect the bodies of the cause of death, with follow Dr. Ashraf Hatem, Minister of Health, to investigate the death of 3 babies in a private hospital after the high fever suddenly, and the prosecution called Director General Medicine Preventive and Director of the surveillance and epidemiology unit in the department of health in the Red Sea, which formed a health committee to inspect the hospital and its medical potential.

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http://www.almasryalyoum.com/node/468172
 
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