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Discussion thread II - Covid-19 (new coronavirus)

as for fluwiki etc. I usually put all the posts in one file for keyword-search.
Then I made the archive with headlines, threads because the normal "browsing people" wanted it.
I have also some archived big files from flutrackers, PFI, avianfludiary and maybe others, I forgot.
But only occasional backups , and I stopped ~2014
If there is interest, I can search my old HD and make a list.
 
Hi Everyone!

Please do not post info from websites on the news threads where there is no "about" page or any way to understand who is behind the article. Please post odd stuff here. As the infection spreads there will be many hoax type stories. Greed will take over and people will publish fake stories to sell stuff, promote themselves, etc. We have seen this in every outbreak.

The news area needs to have the best information.

Twitter stuff belongs here. Odd sites info belongs here.

Thanks!
 
Another note....

Due to security reasons I can not open various links and/or attachments in our email. Many entities try to hack into the email account, send phishing schemes of all kinds, and send emails with viruses.

If you want us to have a link or attachment, please find it again on a site that already screens for malware, like you tube, facebook, others, and send that link.

Sorry but this is the way it is.

We are subjected to DDOS attacks, hack attempts, malware in emails. fake people trying to join, bullying online and in emails, etc. It is non-stop every day.

Thanks for understanding!
 
Hi Everyone!

Please do not post info from websites on the news threads where there is no "about" page or any way to understand who is behind the article. Please post odd stuff here. As the infection spreads there will be many hoax type stories. Greed will take over and people will publish fake stories to sell stuff, promote themselves, etc. We have seen this in every outbreak.

The news area needs to have the best information.

Twitter stuff belongs here. Odd sites info belongs here.

Thanks!

Would mychinanews.com belong here then?
 
https://translate.googleusercontent...700271&usg=ALkJrhgP2n8zcN9BxS0poEAnmDpR8cUHSQ

Expert: Wuhan pneumonia is still at risk of reinfection or pulmonary fibrosis sequelae after healing

Experts point out that patients who have recovered from the new type of coronavirus pneumonia still have the risk of reinfection, and they should strengthen their protection.

The new coronavirus pneumonia epidemic is raging, and many cases have been recovered so far. However, at the press conference of the National Health Commission on Friday (31st), experts pointed out that patients who are cured still have the risk of reinfection, so protection should be strengthened.

In addition, experts also mentioned that generally mild patients have no sequelae after recovery, and very severe patients may have pulmonary fibrosis for a period of time.

Zhan Qingyuan, director of the fourth and fifth department of Respiratory Medicine of the Department of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine, China-Japan Friendship Hospital, pointed out that the general rule of viral infection, patients will produce certain antibodies after viral infection, which has a protective effect on the human body. But in fact, antibodies may not last long, so patients who have recovered from new coronavirus pneumonia still have the risk of reinfection, and they should strengthen their protection.

Regarding the question of whether the cured patients will have sequelae, Zhan Qingyuan pointed out that after clinically found that the new type of coronavirus infection, the patients were mainly damaged lungs, but mild patients should have no sequelae, and severe patients may have a residual for a period of time Lung damage repairs changes, such as fibrosis. But Zhan Qingyuan emphasized that the lung's repairing ability is very strong, and most of the fibrosis can be repaired. "But for very heavy, very, very, very few patients, they may leave a little lung for a long time. Fibrosis, we need to strengthen the follow-up. "

Here is the original quote from the NHC media conference on January 31, 2020:

Zhan Qingyuan:
  This question is asked very well. From the general rule of virus infection, we will produce certain antibodies after virus infection, which will protect the human body. However, some antibodies may not last as long, so these patients who have recovered are still at risk of reinfection, so patients who have cured should strengthen their protection. For the new type of coronavirus infection, we found clinically that it mainly involves the lungs, and there should be no sequelae for mild patients, but for severe patients, there may be some lung damage repair changes in a period of time, such as lung fiber Into. From my clinical experience, the lung's repairing ability is very strong, and most of the lung fibrosis can be repaired. However, for very heavy, very, very, very few patients, a little pulmonary fibrosis may be left over a relatively long period of time, and we need to strengthen the follow-up.
  Patients who have been cured should still pay attention to protection, and pay attention to preventing and treating colds. In addition, to strengthen rehabilitation, you can do some appropriate activities at home in the early stage. With the recovery of physical strength, you can increase the amount of activity. The amount of activity is based on feeling that you have no obvious fatigue. At the same time, we also need to pay attention to psychological counseling and rehabilitation, because some patients may develop later depression after this disease. If necessary, we recommend going to a psychological clinic. It is recommended that all patients visit the clinic regularly for follow-up reviews, including lung function and CT, to facilitate our long-term management.

http://www.nhc.gov.cn/xcs/fkdt/202001/914723e57818485fb30bf995cb7989de.shtml
 
Here is the original quote from the NHC media conference on January 31, 2020:

Zhan Qingyuan:
  This question is asked very well. From the general rule of virus infection, we will produce certain antibodies after virus infection, which will protect the human body. However, some antibodies may not last as long, so these patients who have recovered are still at risk of reinfection, so patients who have cured should strengthen their protection. For the new type of coronavirus infection, we found clinically that it mainly involves the lungs, and there should be no sequelae for mild patients, but for severe patients, there may be some lung damage repair changes in a period of time, such as lung fiber Into. From my clinical experience, the lung's repairing ability is very strong, and most of the lung fibrosis can be repaired. However, for very heavy, very, very, very few patients, a little pulmonary fibrosis may be left over a relatively long period of time, and we need to strengthen the follow-up.
  Patients who have been cured should still pay attention to protection, and pay attention to preventing and treating colds. In addition, to strengthen rehabilitation, you can do some appropriate activities at home in the early stage. With the recovery of physical strength, you can increase the amount of activity. The amount of activity is based on feeling that you have no obvious fatigue. At the same time, we also need to pay attention to psychological counseling and rehabilitation, because some patients may develop later depression after this disease. If necessary, we recommend going to a psychological clinic. It is recommended that all patients visit the clinic regularly for follow-up reviews, including lung function and CT, to facilitate our long-term management.

http://www.nhc.gov.cn/xcs/fkdt/202001/914723e57818485fb30bf995cb7989de.shtml

That makes a little more sense. I'll stop trying to help. :rolleyes: Thanks for cleaning up after me.:tiphat:
 
Perfect example of why Sharon wants news vetted well: I got duped by a false headline, tonight. Thank goodness some other prepper friends helped to vet the source. Here's the orignal Link:
[h=1]BREAKING NEWS: Six coronavirus cases confirmed in Wilmington[/h] https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...SYnisG1QavbVoDjKxto-jvzHFwCCGN74odqKzEKHH3gaj

Five Americans and one Chinese have tested positive for coronavirus in Wilmington, North Carolina, authorities have said in a statement.

According to the statement, Five people became ill after coming into contact with a Chinese colleague who was visiting from Shanghai and had recently been in Wuhan, the epicentre of the outbreak.


And here's the link to debunk above legit-looking headline & link: [h=1]New Hanover officials warn about ‘fake news’ of Coronavirus in Wilmington[/h] https://portcitydaily.com/local-new...-news-of-coronavirus-in-wilmington-free-read/
WILMINGTON — Officials are alerting the public to fake news article claiming that there are cases of Coronavirus in the region.

The New Hanover County Public Health Department stated this information is false. ---CONTINUED---
 
[h=1]Exclusive: Millions to be told 'stay at home' if coronavirus continues to spread[/h]
Health officials expected to order anyone with the sniffles to 'self-isolate' at home if the virus is not contained



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...-told-stay-home-coronavirus-continues-spread/

Confirmation from the Sun; https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10973...rdered-isolate-at-home-coronavirus-spread-uk/

Under Britain's Pandemic Influenza Response Plan, protocols are set for ensuring the isolation and treatment of patients for "the first few 100 cases" in order to gather detailed information about a new virus.

But a new attempt to control the virus' spread may be implemented after a series of high-level meetings between health officials.

Senior managers have been told that the NHS could stop testing patients once around 100 cases have been confirmed across the country if there is evidence of "sustained community transmission" within the UK, The Sunday Telegraph reports.

These are cases not linked to any known or previously identified cases.

If we know that Singapore and Japan have already acknowledged that the virus is spreading in the community without being able to be tracked and we know that the UK is going to stop tracking contacts and just dealing with the cases that present themselves "as they present" , once the numbers get into the hundreds, then should we be focusing more on providing information on personal care and support of individuals who are ill and being cared for at home?
 
Confirmation from the Sun; https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/109731...rus-spread-uk/



If we know that Singapore and Japan have already acknowledged that the virus is spreading in the community without being able to be tracked and we know that the UK is going to stop tracking contacts and just dealing with the cases that present themselves "as they present" , once the numbers get into the hundreds, then should we be focusing more on providing information on personal care and support of individuals who are ill and being cared for at home?


Will there not even be triage tents?
I’m not sure what happens when you contact them but they certainly don’t want you to come into the building if you think you are infected. I wonder if there will be legal action applied to those who do enter?

If the spread is severe they will need a lot of people answering those phone lines.

https://mobile.twitter.com/kitbradsh...79521525780486
 
[h=1]NIH's Fauci: New Coronavirus On 'Verge' Of Pandemic If Not Contained[/h] By Cathy Burke | Sunday, 16 February 2020 12:20 PM
  • A National Institute of Health official warned Sunday the fast-moving spread of a new coronavirus is on the “verge” of a pandemic unless containment isn’t successful.
In an interview on CBS News’ “Face The Nation,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at NIH, said currently 24 countries have over 500 cases of COVID-19.
“Technically speaking, the WHO wouldn't be calling this a global pandemic, but it certainly is on the verge of that happening reasonably soon unless containment is more successful than it is right now,” he said.


According to Fauci, it would be helpful for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to be in China.

“The reason is because first of all, our CDC are the best epidemiologists in the world,” he said. “They can be helpful to the Chinese as well as get information firsthand, eyes, ears and boots on the ground. So it really is to be helpful as part of the WHO group...:tiphat:https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/coronavirusepidemicwhocdc/2020/02/16/id/954315/
 
This is so sad to read.

Hubei film studio Chang Kai's family dies with new crown pneumonia

Directube Today
Chang Kai, director of the Hubei Film Studio and director of the film and television department, died of new crown pneumonia on February 14, his father died on January 27, and his mother died on February 2. Chang Kai's sister and Chang Kai He died on the same day on the 14th. Four of Chang Kai's family died unfortunately within 17 days.From the last words left by Chang Kai, it can be found that his father was unable to obtain a hospital bed after being sick in Wuhan, and was forced to go home to help himself, which led to a family infection of pneumonia.


The last words left by Chang Kai during his lifetime:

New Year's Eve, in compliance with the decree, withdraw from the New Year's Eve Banquet of the luxury hotel. I took charge of the difficult task myself, my parents Gaotang and the insiders gathered together, and it was fun.

As everyone knows, the nightmare is coming. On the first day of New Year's Day, the old man had a fever, cough, and difficulty breathing. He was taken to many hospitals for treatment.

Disappointed, he went home to save himself, filial piety in bed, a few days, lack of skills, his father hated to let go, under multiple blows, the mother was physically and mentally exhausted, her immunity was lost, and she was severely infected.

Serving my parents for several days in bed, the ruthless coronavirus also devoured my wife and my body. I went to various hospitals and begged to cry. How could it be that the fables were light, and the beds were hard to find, until the disease became extinct, missed the opportunity for healing, and the breath was advertised by relatives and friends and far away in England and my son: I will be filial for my son and my father. , Beloved by his wife, and sincere!

farewell! The person I love and the person who loves me.


Chang Kai 's classmates from the same room also posted a long text mourning

Forward my old colleague's post, crying without tears:Yesterday, Chang Kai (born in 1964) of Hubei Film Studio died of new crown pneumonia. Today, when he saw the eulogy written by his classmates, he was very embarrassed and terrible. From the eulogy, it is not difficult to see the severity of the epidemic. You can also see the current situation of the affected population in Wuhan during the epidemic. My head was groggy all night, and it was hard to sleep over and over. Perhaps the thunder and lightning of last night was to block your way to heaven? Today's howling wind and rain is to remind you to wear more clothes with the cold. Your path to heaven is even colder ...On the first day of the new year, we called each other and worshiped the Chinese New Year. I did n’t expect your old father to leave on the third day, and your old mother on the ninth day. Then you left early in the morning of Valentine ’s Day, and your afternoon Sister goes with you again!On the 17th day only, your family of four suffered the disaster of extinction, and the wronged souls floated above the haze-covered Wuhan sky. Such a tragedy on the earth is heartbreaking and crumbled, leaving Cangtian speechless to answer!Watching your parents go away from you for a week, but you can't send your parents the last trip, I can't imagine your sadness and desolation at the time. At this time, you know that you, your wife, and your elder sister who went home to celebrate the New Year are infected with Shen Ke. The unprecedented closure of the city has left you with nowhere to ask for help, and the cruel patient waits for you to stay in isolation at home and wait. Hospital bed.You understand that this calamity is inevitable, and with your remorse for this world, you leave the last paragraph of this world:On New Year's Eve, follow the decree and cancel the New Year's Eve Banquet of the luxury hotel. I took charge of the difficult task myself, my parents Gaotang and the insiders gathered together, and it was fun.As everyone knows, the nightmare is coming. On the first day of New Year's Day, the old man had a fever, cough, and difficulty breathing. He was taken to many hospitals for treatment. Disappointed, he went home to save himself, filial piety in bed, a few days, lack of skills, his father hated to let go, under multiple blows, the mother was physically and mentally exhausted, her immunity was lost, and she was severely infected.Serving my parents for several days in bed, the ruthless coronavirus also devoured my wife and my body. I went to various hospitals and begged to cry. How could it be that the fables were light, and the beds were hard to find, until the disease became extinct, missed the opportunity for healing, and the breath was advertised by relatives and friends and far away in England and my son: I will be filial for my son and my father. , Beloved by his wife, and sincere! farewell! The person I love and the person who loves me.sorrow! Misery! Heart is like a knife cut! Beyond words!The bits and pieces of the past thirty years are as blurry and clear as fragments, more like the scenes of a movie.In the early morning of that year, we rode bicycles to Zhonghua Road Pier and crossed the river at the same time at the same time. As soon as we landed, we always came for a cross-country race. cut.After graduation, as long as we gather, we will mention our cross-country races, as well as the hot and dry noodles in the breakfast shop under the archway of Wuhan University, as well as soy milk and noodle nests.After that, when we occasionally get together, we can never leave the bits and pieces of that life in that topic.Later when you were together, you always touched the thinning hair on your head and asked me what can I do to make myself full of blue hair? In fact, we understand each other that we are all middle-aged, and people of this age have begun to like memories, tend to lament, and their eyes have become shallower. Nothing else, just think that memories in the past can make up for a bit of loss and find a bit of happiness , Feel honored for each other's fate.You left in a hurry, and it was a surprise. All day long, in my dim eyes, I saw you clearly in front of me, while riding my bicycle quickly, shouting my name, your long hair flowing in the wind in the backlight is such a youthful hormone, that The crisp ringing of a bicycle and your shouting sound is so clear and lingering in my confused brain ...Brothers go all the way! Just as your parents still need your children in heaven, just as your sister and brother are too filial to bear your parents alone ...The mountains are lying on the grave, the long song is the crying sacrifice brother.I will always remember your name:My upper brother--Chang Kai!Mountains and rivers are exotic, and the same day is the same as the wind and the moon. The next life is still a classmate, or a brother!"It can be seen that disasters are all around, and death is not far away. Those who are trembling for fear of being sealed, your silence is vulgar! "- documentary filmmaker Wang Jiuliang on Chang Kai died comment


https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/bn6tvjdA3...8YOv-WZ6F72KtM
 
This link from google search goes nowhere and I can not find this paper on researchgate. It is not there anymore. I am a member of researchgate and still can't find it.

According to news reports these scientists say that the current COVID-19 came from a lab.


"The true cause of how the coronavirus spread has been revealed by Chinese scientists who have broken cover and said the oubreak started in a science laboratory in Wuhan yards away from a wet market." link



The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus | Request PDF
https://www.researchgate.net › publication › 339070128_The_possible_origi...
Botao Xiao at South China University of Technology. Botao Xiao ? 21.93 ? South China University of Technology ? Lei Xiao. Abstract. The 2019-nCoV has caused ...



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Critiquer les seuls qui ont fait un boulot ?clairant c'est ridicule. La situation me semble autre. Le syst?me m?dical local est d?pass?, mais c'est normal avec un petit truc de ce type .

En tout, ce sont 10 000 m?decins, infirmiers et aides-soignants qui ont rejoint Wuhan depuis le d?but du coronavirus, dont 3 000, en 48h.

Selon les derniers chiffres, sur les plus de 66 000 cas de contamination, 1716 concernent le personnel m?dical, dont six d?c?s.
Des chiffres annonc?s pour la premi?re fois le 14 f?vrier par la commission nationale de la sant? qui alerte : il y a urgence. Alors une partie du personnel soignant d'un h?pital de Wuhan a choisi de se raser les cheveux pour ?viter de transporter le virus. Ailleurs en Chine, les usines tournent ? plein r?gime pour fabriquer des ?quipements de protection. Mais pas encore assez pour garantir la s?curit? des m?decins

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/sante/m...edecins-chinois-face-a-lepidemie_3828671.html


Au passage comme un h?pital normal ne sait pas prot?ger son personnel et ses patients, comment a-t-on pu penser que sur un bateau on saurait faire?

Comme j'aime ?tre positif, je suis surpris de l'absence de textes sur le r?le du microbiome et des fa?ons de le prot?ger ou aider dans une telle situation?
 
I also want to state again - PLEASE ONLY TAKE A SMALL SNIP (2 or 3 sentences) FROM ANY ORIGINAL LANGUAGE ARTICLE.

The quickest way to take us down is a copyright violation.

At this point I have asked several times. Now - if someone posts more than 2 or 3 sentences from an original language article I will have to assume it is deliberate. Those persons will lose their posting privileges without further warning.

Government announcements are ok to post because governments can not claim copyright. Mangled translations are ok because we have substantially changed the content. For this disease, research papers are ok because the scientific journal community has declared open access on all papers.
 
"(Original title: Liu Liang, Pathologist: Hope to make pathological anatomy of patients with new coronary pneumonia as soon as possible) SNIP...
Professor Liu Liang of the Department of Forensic Medicine of Tongji Medical College told "Emergency Call" that a complete autopsy has not yet been carried out, and it is recommended that the pathological anatomy of new coronary pneumonia be performed as soon as possible. Professor Liu Liang said that pathological anatomy of patients with new coronary pneumonia can provide help for clinical treatment...." http://mychinanews.com/news/n/1/2418025
 
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