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CDC Reports 196 Deaths in One Week

JimO

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Source: http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/updates/us/

U.S. Influenza and Pneumonia-Associated Hospitalizations
and Deaths from August 30 ? September 5, 2009
Posted September 11, 2009, 6:00 PM ET
Data reported to CDC by September 10, 2009, 12:00 AM ET

Category - Hospitalizations - Deaths

Influenza and Pneumonia Syndrome - 1,097 - 168
Influenza Laboratory-Tests - 263 - 28
Totals - 1,380 - 196

This is very confusing because the last situation update reported 593 deaths through September 3, 2009; therefore, simply adding 196 to 593 would double count those reported 9/1 through 9/3. Even so, that is a big jump and many more than the FT count. It makes me suspicious of what is being reported (or not reported) by some states.
 
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Source: http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/updates/us/


U.S. Influenza and Pneumonia-Associated Hospitalizations
and Deaths from August 30 ? September 5, 2009
Posted September 11, 2009, 6:00 PM ET
Data reported to CDC by September 10, 2009, 12:00 AM ET

Category - Hospitalizations - Deaths

Influenza and Pneumonia Syndrome - 1,097 - 168
Influenza Laboratory-Tests - 263 - 28
Totals - 1,380 - 196

This is very confusing because the last situation update reported 593 deaths through September 3, 2009; therefore, simply adding 196 to 593 would double count those reported 9/1 through 9/3. Even so, that is a big jump and many more than the FT count. It makes me suspicious of what is being reported (or not reported) by some states.

Either way JimO, that is a lot of deaths. The CDC announced at the 8 September news conference that they would be starting with week one of the new flu season with this 11 September reporting.

If the first week sees 168 deaths, I shudder to think what we will be seeing down the road. We may long for the days of 593.
 
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"To allow jurisdictions to implement the new case definition, counts were reset to zero on August 30, 2009."

Quoted from the Week 35 FluView report.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/

Somewhere in this country there are five hundred and ninety three grieving families who have just been reset to zero. How insensitive and insulting does this need to be.
 
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What I don't understand is--where is cnn, msnbc, etc? When nearly 200 Americans die in ONE WEEK from swine flu, why does it not make the news? Why is the media not talking about all of the children who died from this flu since school started back up? Why do they keep insisting on the same old "it's mild", "only dangerous for people with pre-existing conditions" (not!), "stay home when you are feverish" (when up to 50% of cases don't even have fever?), etc... Don't tell me to wash my hands again, and don't sugar-coat what is becoming a very serious and frightening tragedy in this country!

Sorry for my rant. I'm confused and quite upset...:(
 
Re: CDC Reports 196 in One Week

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"To allow jurisdictions to implement the new case definition, counts were reset to zero on August 30, 2009."

Quoted from the Week 35 FluView report.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/

Somewhere in this country there are five hundred and ninety three grieving families who have just been reset to zero. How insensitive and insulting does this need to be.
Since I'm a numbers kind of person, I still would like to know how many of the 593 were included in the new count.
 
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I've got 38 confirmed deaths from 8/28 - 9/4 giving a total of 593 on 9/4.
This latest update gives 28 lab confirmed deaths between 8/30 and 9/5. So it does look like 20 or more get counted twice?

"As of September 4, 2009, 9,079 hospitalizations and 593 deaths (16 deaths in individuals 0-4 years, 93 deaths in individuals 5-24 years, 249 deaths in adults 25-49 years, 171 deaths in adults 50-64 years, 57 deaths in adults age 65 and older, and 7 deaths for which age was no reported) associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus have been identified by CDC and state and local public health departments"
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2008-2009/weekly34.htm
 
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I've got 38 confirmed deaths from 8/28 - 9/4 giving a total of 593 on 9/4.
This latest update gives 28 lab confirmed deaths between 8/30 and 9/5. So it does look like 20 or more get counted twice?

"As of September 4, 2009, 9,079 hospitalizations and 593 deaths (16 deaths in individuals 0-4 years, 93 deaths in individuals 5-24 years, 249 deaths in adults 25-49 years, 171 deaths in adults 50-64 years, 57 deaths in adults age 65 and older, and 7 deaths for which age was no reported) associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus have been identified by CDC and state and local public health departments"
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2008-2009/weekly34.htm
That would put my count at around 865.
 
Re: CDC Reports Deaths 196 in One Week

Re: CDC Reports Deaths 196 in One Week

What I don't understand is--where is cnn, msnbc, etc? When nearly 200 Americans die in ONE WEEK from swine flu, why does it not make the news? Why is the media not talking about all of the children who died from this flu since school started back up? Why do they keep insisting on the same old "it's mild", "only dangerous for people with pre-existing conditions" (not!), "stay home when you are feverish" (when up to 50% of cases don't even have fever?), etc... Don't tell me to wash my hands again, and don't sugar-coat what is becoming a very serious and frightening tragedy in this country!

Sorry for my rant. I'm confused and quite upset...:(

During the normal flu season for the last several years, more than 2,000 persons died each peak week from influenza like illness. This is tragic for all concerned, but it should not take a pandemic for us to get serious as to how devastating this disease is in the US, a country with fairly good medical support for its citizens. And to think, only about 40% of the population takes advantage of flu vaccinations each year, despite these alarming numbers.
 
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In National Strategic Plan for ED Department (ACEP) their scenario lists a total of 250 deaths by late October - so what's really ahead of us?

[This scenario is a notional planning scenario based on
available information, within which are certain assumptions
that may change as information becomes more precise. It is
meant to be challenging and realistic, but is not predictive.]


The first cases of novel H1N1 reappear in an
unspecified area of the nation in late September. Early
cases are not recognized as influenza, and will be treated
conservatively, affording the opportunity for transmission
to schoolmates and family.

The vaccine for the novel H1N1 will not be ready for
distribution in large volumes until late October. Vaccine
for the novel H1N1 may require two injections, at least 21-
28 days apart, to stimulate immunity. Immunity will not
be sufficient to protect subjects from infection until two
weeks after the second injection.

Local officials will be hesitant to implement community
mitigation strategies early in an outbreak, especially school
closure so close to the beginning of the school year. The
media will continue to fuel the public sentiment that
health officials over-reacted to the spring wave and are
doing likewise to the fall cases. There will be political
pressure to keep schools open because of large numbers
of workers without “time off” benefits to care for their
children.

The Federal government will not have solutions
in place, such as emergency wage replacement, to mitigate
that pressure. Because of economic pressures and high
value placed on jobs in a weakened economy, workers will
continue to work when sick, exacerbating transmission in
the most contagious stage of their illness.


After a few weeks of the fall wave, the prevalence
in affected parts of the country will increase. The first
few deaths will be reported, some in young individuals.
Emergency departments will begin to see large volumes of
people who are not ill with the flu but are concerned that
they or their children “might have it.” They are requesting
screening and prescriptions for antivirals. Emergency
departments will experience a 150% increase in chief
complaints with respiratory symptoms.

By mid-October, 15,000 cases will be reported across
the country, with hot spots in urban areas that have
employed community mitigation strategies. The highest
prevalence will be among children and young adults,
but during this wave, there will be a 5-fold increase in
mortality, with 250 deaths by late-October
, mostly in
school-age children and those in late teens.

The CDC will discover that the current wave of disease
has a higher mortality rate, and some communities will
begin to close schools.


http://www.acep.org/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=45781
 
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Based on these statistics, it should also be noted that almost 16% of cases severe enough to warrant hospitalisation, died. Hospitals are not overwhelmed yet, so this statistic is likely to get worse.
 
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I wanted to follow up and let everyone know that the 593 deaths were those reported to the CDC by the states as of September 3rd, but they were deaths that had occurred through August 30th. Therefore, there was no overlap and the total CDC count through September 5th is the sum of the two, or 789. At that time, our count was 691 and since we are typically about 50 ahead of CDC, I estimate that the total deaths by last Friday's report was close to 850.

Our current count is 748, so it appears that the new category of deaths being reported by CDC aren't making the news since they aren't being announced as "confirmed H1N1 deaths."

Someone pointed out either earlier in this thread or on another that if the ratio of laboratory confirmed deaths to total deaths is similar to that represented by the numbers in the CDC's report, we could easily already have between 4,000 and 5,000 H1N1 deaths in the U.S. Furthermore, Argentina and Brazil both acknowledged that their laboratories could not keep up with the number of samples and that some regions were so far from the nearest laboratory, samples were simply not being analyzed. I would not be surprised if there is a similar, or even higher, ratio of actual deaths to confirmed deaths in South America.

:nuke: Caution - personal opinion to follow:

For me, this further clouds any CFR estimates and suggests that the CFR will ultimately be much higher than seasonal flu. This information, along with the other characteristics of this Pandemic, should put to rest the notion that this is in any way similar to seasonal influenza.
 
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Thanks for the follow up JimO.

Someone pointed out either earlier in this thread or on another that if the ratio of laboratory confirmed deaths to total deaths is similar to that represented by the numbers in the CDC's report, we could easily already have between 4,000 and 5,000 H1N1 deaths in the U.S.

see this thread;
http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124927

The underreporting for regular flu fatalities is about 20 to one. Last weeks figure suggests a ratio of 7 to one for novel H1N1 probably due to increased vigilance. But one update does not a pattern make. Let's see what today brings...
 
CDC Reports 196 Deaths in One Week

Latest CDC news briefing in progress (late start?) at

http://www.flu.gov/live/index.html

This may have delayed 1 hour, very unusual. They started, then all of a sudden the time of start changed!

Now they are starting again....

Never mind, on time (a little late)
 
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