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Two Experts Criticize Film as Unrealistic

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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/09/arts/television/09squa.html?_r=1&oref=login
May 9, 2006

<NYT_HEADLINE version="1.0" type=" ">Two Experts Criticize Film as Unrealistic </NYT_HEADLINE>

<NYT_BYLINE version="1.0" type=" ">By DONALD G. McNEIL Jr.
</NYT_BYLINE><NYT_TEXT>"Fatal Contact," tonight's ABC movie about bird flu reaching the United States, has been denounced as medically unrealistic by two prominent flu experts who have seen it, one of whom is the film's technical consultant.
While much of the film follows conventional wisdom about how a pandemic might unfold, scenes of blood spouting from victims, bodies dumped in mass graves and the suggestion that the virus could mutate until it is 100 percent fatal were "over the top," both said.
With interest in avian flu intense ? the White House issued the second part of its pandemic plan last week ? health officials are worried about the effect on the public.
"It's unfortunate that a lot of people may be scared by it," said Thomas W. Skinner, a spokesman for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention who has seen the film. "But the best antidote for fear is information, and if it makes people get more up to speed on pandemics, that's a good thing."
Yesterday, two flu experts who were involved in the film early held a telephone news conference to criticize it. One was John M. Barry, author of "The Great Influenza," a history of the 1918 Spanish flu, who is in the credits as the film's consultant. The other was Dr. Michael T. Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.
Both especially objected to the ending, in which an American doctor lands in an Angolan village after the pandemic's first wave has killed 25 million people worldwide. She finds nothing alive except flies swarming over a field of blood-spattered bodies and announces that the second wave has begun. A flock of geese is seen flying away ? an echo of the opening shot of geese over China, where the pandemic begins.
"To say it's overdone is an understatement," Mr. Barry said. He declined to help publicize the film, he said, but did not ask that his name be removed. His consulting, he said, had been merely a two-hour conference call and some later comments on the script, which he did not write. He compared his role to that of a lawyer whose client pays for his advice but ignores it.
Nonetheless, he said, "the one benefit is that it raises people's awareness."
Dr. Osterholm was harsher. "It's really bad," he said of the film's science. The ending "looks like the Jonestown massacre, not something caused by infectious disease." He also ridiculed a scene in which bodies are poured from dump trucks into what looks like an open-pit mine. "Corpse management will be a problem in a pandemic," he said, "but none of us believe that will happen."
He and Mr. Barry disagreed over a scene in which desperate New Yorkers ambush a military convoy escorting vaccine through Manhattan. Dr. Osterholm expects riots over shortages; Mr. Barry felt the scene was exaggerated.
The film's producers defended it yesterday, saying that some victims died bloodlessly, that the final scene was meant to be a village emptied by people fleeing as well as by death, and that they had heeded much of Mr. Barry's advice. For example, they said, they dropped a plan to have the flu virus cross with the AIDS virus.
"We honestly tried to do this as accurately as we could," said Judith Verno, an executive producer.
Much of the movie repeats predictions made by many flu experts.
For example, the flu erupts in China but quickly travels to the United States in an American businessman. He dies rapidly of flooded lungs, as many did in 1918, but many infected by him survive.
Worried governors are warned that it will take six months to make enough vaccine because the newest mutation of the virus must be used. When the first doses arrive, they go to health workers.
Quarantines and fences don't stop the virus but do start riots and food shortages. Hospitals are overwhelmed; in one scene, a nurse takes a dying man fighting for breath off a respirator because others need it. Many people fail to wear masks. (The doctors presumably skip it because it's hard to act in one. The star, Joely Richardson, makes another disastrous slip in infection control: she tends a favorite dying patient, then weeps into her contaminated glove.)
But the group most offended may be birders. The film seems to blame migrating geese for seeding the globe with human virus, while it is hotly disputed today whether wild birds are spreading it even among chickens.

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Re: Two Experts Criticize Film as Unrealistic

The title of the article is misleading, as usual. The experts criticize certain aspects of the film but not the whole film itself.

Looks like ABC did their homework on this one but it also appears they may have inflated case fatality rate of the virus.
 
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The response by "experts" is completley unsurprising. We have seen the same feedback every time some expert tells the truth. The world is paranoid about causing undue panic. To the point they would rather everyone stay in the dark and be surprised when it does happen. History repeating itself. Too bad none of the experts who are naysayers did any homework about the pandemic of 1918 and the higher death rates because the experts werre afraid of causing a panic.
 
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I am currently reading a book on Black Death on mid 1300's and let me say that if H5N1 holds onto it's 50% mortality rate then ABC's movie might appear to have underestimated the impact.

People just don't seem to realize how devastating a 50% mortality rate can be.
 
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There you go underplaying it again DB - when you look at different country outbreaks you easily see some local strains have a higher rate - Indonesia 78%, Cambodia & Iraq 100%. An overall average of about 55%... WITH modern medical intervention.

We are hearing the fear driven denial similar to when our friends and families tell us we are nuts.

"Nothing that bad can happen."
 
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This movie sounds exciting! It is a send-up of bird flu. Blood and gore, fear, ignorance, panic, gangs, lootings, death and all from the point of view of the viewer who will be totally helpless as the events unfold.

6 Flags rides are similar, fear is palpable.

We humans love being frightened. It's such a fully alive feeling.

I think the producers deserve seriously an Emmy. They dug for emotional gold and they struck it. Good for them.

Powerful impressions on humans, imprints, are never forgotten, way down at the "cellular level" (I know that sounds like hogwho); etching into the neuro-chemical channels of adults is a very good thing.

We ought not forget the kids who will be traumatized. This TV movie is not for anyone under 12 or 13. It will not help them; and imo, will hurt them inappropriately and with them unsuspecting what they're about to be cast into as unempowered victim. Not good.

I doubt, but I hope, ABC will have a warning statement at the beginning of the show that kids should not be permitted to see the show.

Congrats to ABC.
 
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"WITH modern medical intervention."

This is really important. How can they even give a rate without factoring this in? It must/might/will be way higher then 50%.
 
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Good point GR - I was think about the kids today - THEY should be the ones to be most concerned about this pandemic. THEY will be the largest effected group. Kids these days handle serious matters very well. They are bombarded with them from every direction. My kids know all about H5N1 and what it can do. We talk all the time about it. They are able to understand it and put it where it belongs. They know their dad is doing everything in his power to keep them safe. They needed to know when they saw lots of food coming into the house ... they asked... I couldn't lie to them. I don't lie to my kids. I told them in terms they could grasp and process.

We all seem to be banging our heads against the wall with adults. I bet if they would cover it in the classroom, the kids would ultimately get their parents to begin to prep as a family project. We teach them about AIDS, drugs, kidnapping, pollution, global warming and how many wars do they study?

I say start a pandemic course project in every classroom at the appropriate age level. Now you'd be talking prep. From the bottom up.
 
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GR:

Good point about the children. It could cause undue trauma, just like the planes flying into building on 9/11 broadcast repeatly led them to believe there were multiple incidents.

Responsiblity for protection and solutions belongs to the parents.

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We do need to be careful of the kids.

They need and deserve to feel as protected as possible. It's easier to do that if they see preps and ask and you let them help and they feel their parent or other adult is doing all they can to control whatever outcome occurs. It's more difficult for kids if the fear is palatable (from the news, a movie or overheard in adult discussions) and not discussed at their level of understanding with reassurances.

One friend's 8 year old grandchild who had heard parents talking asked my friend if they all were going to die. At one of my meetings I had given her a stack of masks with mickey mouse characters on them. She told him no, the adults were only preparing "in case" and that they were especially preparing for the kids in the family. Then she gave him a mask to try on. She said his face lit uo like she'd turned on a light. Kids like tangible preparations. Mickey is an extra!

The worst kinds of stressors for kids and adults are unprecictable and uncontrollable ones. With young children, we need to be especially careful that
we listen to what they know or think they know,
we respond to their questions -- not our own questions, but theirs --
we let them know that we're the adults and we're planning and will take care of them.

Their questions will be the same as most adults, but at their level of understanding:
Am I safe?
Is my family safe?
Is my pet safe?
What's going on and how will it affect me?
What's the change mean to me?
What are you doing to protect me and all of us?
(Adults also want to know: what's the cause of the threat, what happened? how to fix it? who's helping? how did it happen? did we have any forewarning? how did we plan? did we plan?)

The degree to which we are ready, or are engaged and getting ready and reassured, our children will feel reassured. In other words, if we feel we are controlling the things we can control, we will be empowered and they will feel that.

Remember that the visual medium like this movie carries a powerful emotional punch, and moreso for a kid than for an adult. We're not letting the kids (under 13/14) in our family see it, just as we did not have the images of planes hitting the twin towers on the tube while the kids were awake.

It might be OK for 14 yr olds perhaps slightly younger if they have been prepping along with the rest of the family. I don't know; I haven't seen it yet. My inclination would be to see it first and to discuss with them what they will see and how the adults are mitigating the threats. Then I'd sit with them on a couch -- close -- while we watched it together.

In some cases children will be called on to assist parents who become ill. If such plans are being made, it would be good to include the kids in the process. I'd just like to see us be careful not to lay our emotional "trips" on them without giving them some way to feel in control of something they can control. ("We all have tasks to get ready for this: your job will be to take care of the [age-appropriate task]." With a very small child this might be their stuffed animal. With older children there are many more options. With teens, they are often ready for a challenge.)

Disclaimer: I am not a clinical psychologist. This is my opinion and is only offered for discussion and/or entertainment purposes.
 
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