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  • sharon sanders
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    I am guessing this is HFRS:

    "..Where is HFRS found?

    HFRS is found throughout the world. Haantan virus is widely distributed in eastern Asia, particularly in China, Russia, and Korea. Puumala virus is found in Scandinavia, western Europe, and western Russia. Dobrava virus is found primarily in the Balkans, and Seoul virus is found worldwide. Saaremaa is found in central Europe and Scandinavia. In the Americas, hantaviruses cause a different disease known as hantavirus pulmonary syndrome..."

    https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/hfrs/...he%20infection.

  • Pathfinder
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    Occupants Are Massively Affected by “Mouse Fever” in Kupiansk Direction

    December 19, 2023

    Occupants Are Massively Affected by “Mouse Fever” in Kupiansk DirectionDefence Intelligence of Ukraine informs that dissatisfaction is growing in the units of the russian occupying army due to inadequate provision of winter uniforms, as well as complete lack of medical care.

    Thus, in the Kupiansk direction, an outbreak of the so-called “mouse fever” has been recorded in many units of the russian invaders.

    The disease is viral in nature and is transmitted to humans from rodents: through direct contact with the pathogen, by inhaling mouse feces dust or by ingestion of mouse feces in food.

    Symptoms of “mouse fever” include severe headache, fever of up to 40 degrees, rashes and redness, low blood pressure, haemorrhages in the eyes, nausea, and vomiting several times a day.

    In addition, the disease affects the kidneys. Therefore, a person infected with “mouse fever” suffers from severe lower back pain. He also faces serious problems with urination.

    Complaints about fever from the russian army personnel involved in the war against Ukraine were ignored by the command, considering them as another manifestation of evasion from participation in hostilities. In addition, at the first stage of its course, “mouse fewer” resembles a common flu.

    As a result, the “mouse fever” has significantly reduced the combat capability of the russian soldiers.

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  • Emily
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    ‘Give me my bones’: Ukrainian families fight for truth about missing soldiers

    Kateryna Dembovska was told her husband had died. But there are reasons to doubt the Ukrainian army’s official account

    Kateryna Farbar

    27 November 2023, 12.54pm
    When Kateryna Dembovska’s husband went missing in action in May last year, she was told all that was left of him and his unit was one body and two black bags in a Mykolaiv morgue.

    According to his brigade, Volodymyr Dembovskyi, a gunner in a motorised infantry company, was burned alive in a Russian artillery strike on a village in southern Ukraine.

    Fellow soldiers, including their commander, were unable to save him and six other soldiers as their building was engulfed in flames, relatives were told.

    But Dembovska doesn’t believe the 59th Brigade’s leadership or its investigation – and has tried on her own to find out exactly what happened to her husband on 8 May 2022...
    Some videos of what Ukrainian troops are enduring here:

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  • Emily
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    Arestovich, close to Zelensky, says it is Ukraine who has lost about 300,000. (I've heard estimates of Russia losing 10's of thousands.) He also blames the UK's Boris Johnson for obstructing an early peace negotiation.



    That is corroborated in an interview with another Ukrainian involved:


    More corroboration:
    The disastrous derailment of early peace efforts to end the war in Ukraine Michael von der Schulenburg is a former UN Assistant Secretary-General, who worked for over 34 years for the United Nations, and shortly [...]

    Michael von der Schulenburg, Hajo Funke, Harald Kujat – Peace For Ukraine

    November 10, 2023
    ​The disastrous derailment of early peace efforts to end the war in Ukraine Michael von der Schulenburg is a former UN Assistant Secretary-General, who worked for over 34 years for the United Nations, and shortly for the OSCE, in many countries in war or internal armed conflicts often involving fragile governments and armed non-state actors

    Hajo Funke is Professor Emeritus for political sciences of the Otto-Suhr-Institute/ Freie University Berlin

    General (ret.) Harald Kujat was the highest ranging German officer of the Bundeswehr and at NATO
    The British Prime Minister’s fateful visit to Kiev on 9 April 2022

    This is a detailed reconstruction of the Ukrainian-Russian peace negotiations in March 2022 and the associated mediation attempts by the then Israeli Prime Minister, Naftali Bennett, supported by President Erdogan and former German Chancellor Schröder. It was drawn up by retired General H. Kujat and Professor Emeritus H. Funke, two of the initiators of the recently presented peace plan for Ukraine. And it is also in connection with their peace plan that this reconstruction is so extremely important. It reminds us that we cannot afford to delay ceasefire and peace negotiations again. The human and military situation in Ukraine deteriorates dramatically, with the added danger that it could lead to a further escalation of the war. We need a diplomatic solution to this cruel war for Europe and the Ukraine – and we need it now!

    From the detailed reconstruction of the March peace efforts 6 conclusions emerge:

    1. Just one month after the start of the Russian military intervention in Ukraine, Ukrainian and Russian negotiators had come very close to an agreement for a ceasefire and to an outline for a comprehensive peace solution to the conflict.

    2) In contrast to today, President Zelensky and his government had made great efforts to negotiate peace with Russia and bring the war to a quick end.

    3) Contrary to Western interpretations, Ukraine and Russia agreed at the time that the planned NATO expansion was the reason for the war. They therefore focused their peace negotiations on Ukraine’s neutrality and its renunciation of NATO membership. In return, Ukraine would have retained its territorial integrity except for Crimea.

    4) There is little doubt that these peace negotiations failed due to resistance from NATO and in particular from the USA and the UK. The reasons is that such a peace agreement would have been tantamount to a defeat for NATO, an end to NATO’s eastward expansion and thus an end to the dream of a unipolar world dominated by the USA.

    5. The failure of the peace negotiations in March 2022 led to dangerous intensification of the war that has cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of people, especially young people, deeply traumatized a young generation and inflicted the most severe mental and physical wounds on them. Ukraine has been exposed to enormous destruction, internal displacements, and mass impoverishment. This si accompanied by a large-scale depopulation of the country. Not only Russia, but also NATO and the West bear a heavy share of the blame for this disaster.

    6) Ukraine’s negotiating position today is far worse than it was in March 2022. Ukraine will now lose large parts of its territory.

    7. The blocking of the peace negotiations at that time has harmed everyone: Russia and Europe – but above all the people of Ukraine, who are paying with their blood the price for the ambitions of the major powers and will probably get nothing in return...

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  • Pathfinder
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    UK estimates over 300,000 Russian military casualties

    By George Allison - November 14, 2023129

    New estimates provided by the UK government have shed light on the extensive losses suffered by Russian military forces in Ukraine since February 2022.
    The figures, disclosed in response to queries from John Healey MP, Shadow Secretary of State for Defence, outline a significant toll on Russian military capabilities.
    ...
    In response to Healey’s enquiry about the Russian military personnel losses, James Heappey, Minister of State for the Armed Forces, provided a stark assessment, stating, “We estimate that approximately 302,000 Russian military personnel have been killed or wounded, and tens of thousands more have already deserted since the start of the conflict.”
    ...
    UK estimates show about 302,000 Russian casualties, mass desertions, and significant losses including over 7,117 armoured vehicles in Ukraine,

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  • Emily
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    Kiwi, I did NOT state the eye injuries in the medical report were caused by a weapon from either side. You don't know the source, either. Both sides are using these weapons and they persist and kill and injure civilians. The only way to end this is to end the war.

  • kiwibird
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    Speculation and guesses are not evidence or even indication of use. We should try and look at the facts before we come to conclusions.

  • kiwibird
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    The date of the article you have quoted stating Ukraine is using cluster munitions effectively is the 20th of July this year, a year after the eye damage article previously quoted. Crimea was invaded without a shot being fired. You have not provided any evidence otherwise - let alone of cluster munitions being used by either side at that time.https://www.haaretz.com/2014-03-01/t...f-fbf706de0000

  • Emily
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    2014-15, Crimea:

    Russia and Ukraine used cluster munitions during Moscow’s invasion to annex Crimea, according to Human Rights Watch (HRW).
    ...
    2022, Ukraine War:

    According to HRW, Russia and Ukraine have extensively used cluster bombs during the conflict.

  • Emily
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    Whatever your own opinion right now, this is not Russian propaganda.

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    They oppose systemic corruption, nepotism, and the undue influence that the military-industrial-congressional complex — through its money and army of “revolving door” lobbyists — has on the policymaking process."

  • Emily
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    I'm glad the girl's mother stepped up. I hope it goes well. The father DID run according to your article. He got caught in Minsk.

    "Moskalyov went on the run and was arrested in Minsk. While on the run, he was sentenced in absentia to two years in a penal colony for discrediting the armed forces."

  • Emily
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    There are a lot of mercenary forces operating in Ukraine, so I'm not sure if anything is obvious. Also, several other countries, including the UK, use these weapons. They might not announce sending them to Ukraine.
    Last edited by Emily; September 24, 2023, 09:32 PM.

  • Emily
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    The White House says the controversial weapons are having an impact on Russian formations.

    Cluster bombs: Ukraine using munitions 'effectively', says US

  • kiwibird
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    The only country that has had access to depleted uranium weapons has been russia as the USA has refused to supply them until at least July 7th of this year. This article provided by Emily shows an increase in radioactivity in the UK - the article covers data only until November 2022. https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-2681787/v1 the conclusions are obvious.

  • kiwibird
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    The young girl has been collected by her mother while her father has not absconded and abandoned her - but serves a two year sentence in a russian jailhttps://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-girl-who-drew-anti-war-picture-collected-orphanage-by-her-mother-2023-04-06/
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