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  • #16
    Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸@JackPosobiec
    Maxym Marchenko is the fmr head of the Aidar Battalion
    Quote Tweet KyivPost@KyivPost · 21h
    Zelensky replaced the heads of Cherkasy and Odesa regional state administrations. A colonel Maksym Marchenko, a former commander of the Knights of the Winter Campaign, became the new head of the Odessa Administration. A spy Ihor Taburets became the head of the Cherkasy Region.3:12 PM ·

    Mar 2, 2022·Twitter Web App

    In this briefing Amnesty International is calling on the Ukrainian authorities to bring Aidar and other volunteer battalions under effective lines of command and control, promptly investigate all allegations of abuses, and hold those responsible to account. View Report in EnglishDownload PDF

    Ukraine: Abuses and war crimes by the Aidar Volunteer Battalion in the north Luhansk region
    September 8, 2014Index Number: EUR 50/040/2014

    Nolan Peterson: A Forgotten Corner of a Forgotten War
    On 3/4/17 at 1:20 AM EST

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    • #17
      So will this be perceived as NATO mercenaries entering the fray in Ukr? Everyone is free to leave except draft age men so why the need for extractors?

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      – Perform pre-mission route reconnaissance based on self gathered and local intelligence
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      – Have critical thinking skills with ability to work through complex problems quickly and efficiently for the preservation of life
      – Ability to navigate with map and compass
      – Candidate must be very physically fit
      – Possess a high-degree of professionalism, responsibility, resolve and maturity
      – Must be able to brief, persuade, and instruct others on objective requirements
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      i love myself. the quietest. simplest. most powerful. revolution ever. ---- nayyirah waheed

      "...there’s an obvious contest that’s happening between different sectors of the colonial ruling class in this country. And they would, if they could, lump us into their beef, their struggle." ---- Omali Yeshitela, African People’s Socialist Party

      (My posts are not intended as advice or professional assessments of any kind.)
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        "Draft age men" probably make up 30-40% of the population.

      • Emily
        Emily commented
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        Most couldn't afford the extractors. Pay is $1-2k per day, then the overhead and profit is on top of that. I would have guessed that most people with means would be out of there by now. But I'm afraid they aren't and it is getting much more dangerous.

    • #18
      Wars always attract this type of activity.


      • #19
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        • #20
          Translation Google


          Marie Pierre Bourgeois
          the03/02/2022 at 8:32 PM

          The president explained that he had "chosen to stay" in contact with the Russian leader during the conflict with Ukraine. "We know what binds us to this great European people that is the Russian people", added the tenant of the Elysée.
          While Joe Biden felt that Vladimir Putin was "more isolated than ever" before the American Congress , Emmanuel Macron seeks to maintain discussions with Russian power on the seventh day of the war in Ukraine.

          “I will stay in touch as much as I can”

          "I have chosen to stay in contact, and will stay in contact as much as I can and as much as necessary, with President Putin", to "prevent the widening and contagion of the conflict", judged the French president this Wednesday evening during a speech at the Elysée.

          Le président a expliqué qu'il avait "choisi de rester" en liaison avec le dirigeant russe pendant le conflit avec l'Ukraine. "Nous savons ce qui nous lie à ce grand peuple européen qu’est le peuple russe", a encore ajouté le locataire de l'Élysée.



          EF with AFP
          the03/03/2022 at 15:13

          The French and Russian presidents exchanged this Thursday morning for nearly an hour and a half by telephone. Vladimir Putin sticks to his guns and refuses any "compromise".

          Emmanuel Macron "pessimistic" after his exchange with his Russian counterpart
          During this 1 hour 30 telephone discussion at his request, the Russian president told his French counterpart that the operation of the Russian army was developing "according to the plan" planned by Moscow and that it was going to "worse “if the Ukrainians do not accept his conditions, the presidency said.

          Vladimir Putin also confirmed that he intended to carry out a "denazification" of Ukraine, as he had announced since the start of the war.

          “The Russian ambition is to take all of Ukraine”
          "The president's (Macron) intuition is that the worst is yet to come given what President Poutine told him", according to the Elysée. "The Russian ambition is to take all of Ukraine. Vladimir Putin's war aims have not changed," said the same source.
          Same fear for Jean-Yves Le Drian: invited this morning on France 2, the Minister of Foreign Affairs used a formulation close to that of the President of the Republic.

          “It is possible that the worst is ahead of us,” he said, referring to the latest advances by the Russian army.
          "We can fear a logic of siege", to which "the Russians are accustomed", warned the head of French diplomacy on this occasion.

          EF with AFP

          Les présidents français et russes ont échangé ce jeudi matin pendant près d'une heure et demie par téléphone. Vladimir Poutine campe sur ses positions et refuse tout "compromis".


          Emmanuel Macron

          Officiel du gouvernement - France
          I spoke to President Putin this morning. He refuses to stop his attacks on Ukraine at this point. It is vital to maintain dialogue to avoid human tragedy. I will continue my efforts and contacts. We must avoid the worst.

          Emmanuel Macron

          Officiel du gouvernement - France
          Maintaining dialogue to protect the people, obtaining measures that will avoid human tragedy, putting an end to this war: this is the purpose of my commitment alongside President Zelensky and the international community. I am and will remain fully determined.
          "Safety and security don't just happen, they are the result of collective consensus and public investment. We owe our children, the most vulnerable citizens in our society, a life free of violence and fear."
          -Nelson Mandela


          • #21

            Clint Ehrlich
            It's critical to remember the domestic messaging that was used to introduce this conflict to the Russian people.

            President Putin framed it as the sequel to the Second World War – a new struggle against Fascism on Russia's border, which threatened the country's very existence.
            We should expect the Russian state to use a quantity of force proportionate to the claimed threat from Ukraine.

            Many analysts are missing this. They are the same people who missed that Russia would invade, because they ignored President Putin's words then too.
            It is irrelevant that, to outside observers, Ukraine is not a neo-Nazi state.

            That is the *thesis of the conflict* from President Putin's perspective.

            To understand what Putin will do, you have to look at the war through through his eyes – even if his vision is distorted.
            How would you bring a neo-Nazi state to heel if your initial attempts at an invasion backed by precision strikes stalled?

            You would escalate the use of force. Instead of surgical attacks, you would turn to borderline strategic weapons.

            That is what Russia is doing.
            We've seen the use of MLRS rocket artillery, a horrifying platform that kills indiscriminately within a large target area.

            Ukrainian forces survived so long in the early days of the war because Russia was reluctant to use heavy artillery. No longer.
            Similarly, we've seen Russian forces using a combination of artillery and heavy airstrikes in Kharkov.

            Large sections of the city appear to have been leveled.

            We have to pray that civilians were already evacuated – or the casualties will be immense.
            The million dollar question is whether the Russians will use the same heavy-handed tactics in Kiev.

            There's actually a simple answer: They don't want to, but they will if they have to.

            Laying siege to a city of 3 million could be the ugliest part of the war.
            This raises a troubling moral quandary: Are we really helping the Ukrainians by encouraging them to fight?

            I am awed by their bravery. It's fun to cheer on an underdog.

            But if the end result is watching it get viciously torn to pieces, was it really worth it?
            There's a real risk that we're selling the Ukrainians a false bill of goods– just like we did when we promised them NATO membership.

            They keep asking for a NATO no-fly zone because they know they can't win without it.

            We aren't going to give it to them. Where's that leave us?
            The end result of all of our cheering and all of our weapons deliveries could be a repeat of the Second Chechen War.

            The Chechens fought even harder than the Ukrainians.

            They inflicted horrifying losses on the Russian army, against all odds.
            What did it get them? A Russian siege of their capital that laid it to waste.

            This was Grozny after the war. This is what so much Chechen bravery achieved.

            If the Ukrainians keep fighting hard, it's what will happen to Kiev. All while we cheer them on from the sidelines.

            1:17 AM · Mar 3, 2022·Twitter Web App
            "Safety and security don't just happen, they are the result of collective consensus and public investment. We owe our children, the most vulnerable citizens in our society, a life free of violence and fear."
            -Nelson Mandela


            • #22

              Europe’s largest nuclear power plant on fire after shelling - Zaporizhzhia - March 3, 2022


              • #23

                March 5, 2022
                10:52 AM CST
                Last Updated 35 min ago

                Israeli PM Bennett meets Putin in Moscow to discuss Ukraine crisis

                By Dan Williams

                JERUSALEM, March 5 (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett met with Russian President Vladimir Putin in the Kremlin on Saturday to discuss the Ukraine crisis, his spokesperson said.

                Israel, home to a substantial population of Russian immigrants, has offered to mediate in the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, though officials have previously played down expectations of a breakthrough.
                Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett met Russian President Vladimir Putin in the Kremlin on Saturday to discuss the war in Ukraine and later spoke by phone with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, Bennett's spokesperson said.
                "Safety and security don't just happen, they are the result of collective consensus and public investment. We owe our children, the most vulnerable citizens in our society, a life free of violence and fear."
                -Nelson Mandela


                • #24

                  Conflicting stories of the same event.....

                  Russian source.

                  "Azov militants" are a far right group of Ukrainians.

                  (updated: 03/06/2022 20:23)

                  Azov militants shot civilians trying to get out of Mariupol
                  The DPR said that the militants of "Azov" shot a column of civilians, two were killed



                  Pro-West source.

                  The safe passage of civilians from Ukraine’s besieged eastern port city of Mariupol was “halted” on Sunday for a second consecutive day, after the agreed ceasefire was violated within hours of its planned implementation.

                  Vadym Prystaiko, Ukraine’s ambassador to the UK, branded Vladimir Putin’s troops “animals” when asked what went wrong. “That’s the only reaction we have right now,” he said.

                  Following the Kremlin’s bid to, once again, blame Ukraine for the failed mission, Ministry of Defence (MoD) intelligence stated this was likely “an additional attempt to diminish responsibility for civilian casualties caused by continued Russian strikes on the city”.



                  • GardenSpider
                    GardenSpider commented
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                    Horrible. Azov militants are Neo-nazis and complete intertwined with military and government. They are a brutal force with a history of bloodshed. God help us if they come to power.

                  • GardenSpider
                    GardenSpider commented
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                    Horrible. Azov militants are Neo-nazis andl intertwined with Ukrainian military and government. They are a brutal force with a long history of bloodshed.
                    God help us if they should rise to power, which is their hope.

                • #25
                  Translation Google

                  Ukraine: Putin says he will achieve his goals through negotiation or war

                  Radio Canada
                  10:58 a.m.| Update at 2:44 p.m.
                  Several Heads of State dialogues took place over the weekend.

                  French President Emmanuel Macron spoke for 1:45 a.m. with his Russian counterpart, the Elysee Palace said on Sunday, as Ukraine claims Russian troops have destroyed Vinnytsia airport and will bomb the port of Odessa .

                  Vladimir Putin told Emmanuel Macron on Sunday that he would achieve his goals in Ukraine, either through negotiation or through war , the Elysee said.

                  During this interview, Mr. Putin drew attention to the fact that Kiev continues not to respect the agreements reached on these humanitarian issues , adding that the Ukrainian nationalists prevented the evacuation on Saturday of Mariupol and Volnovakha, a city nearby, the Kremlin reported.

                  On the other hand, Putin told Mr. Macron that Ukraine was responsible for the provocation around the nuclear power plant in Zaporizhia, where a fire broke out after a Russian fire , assuring that the nuclear security of the place was now assured.

                  Vladimir Putin assured Emmanuel Macron that it was not his intention to attack Ukrainian nuclear power plants, including that of Chernobyl, and said he was ready to respect the standards of the IAEA [International Agency for atomic energy] for the protection of power plants , said the French presidency on Sunday.

                  The Russian President has agreed to a dialogue between theInternational Atomic Energy AgencyIAEA , Ukraine and Russia to ensure that the plants are made safe , Paris said. Monday, the director of theInternational Atomic Energy AgencyIAEA should make proposals for the safety of Ukrainian nuclear power plants.

                  Telephone conversation between Erdogan and Putin

                  At the same time, international mediation efforts continued.

                  In an hour-long phone call, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan called on his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin to declare an urgent comprehensive ceasefire in Ukraine, open humanitarian corridors and sign a peace accord, according to a press release from the Turkish presidency.

                  “ An urgent and comprehensive ceasefire will allow a political solution to be sought and humanitarian concerns to be addressed ”

                  — A quote from Recep Tayyip Erdogan, President of Turkey

                  The two heads of state met a few days before the Antalya Diplomatic Forum, scheduled for March 11 to 13 in southern Turkey, in which Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is due to participate.

                  Turkey also hopes to welcome the Ukrainian Minister of Foreign Affairs to promote a meeting between the heads of diplomacy of the two countries.

                  Washington and fighter jets

                  Meanwhile, Kyiv over the weekend reiterated calls for Western countries to toughen sanctions on Moscow, beyond measures meant to economically isolate Russia, and demanded more weapons, especially planes made Soviet, to help repel the Russian forces.

                  US Secretary of State Antony Blinken on CBS reported that theNorth Atlantic Treaty OrganizationNATO has the green light to send fighter jets to Europe. He adds that the United States is looking for ways to provide for Poland's needs if Warsaw decides to supply fighter jets to Ukraine.

                  I can't talk about the timetable, but I can just say that we are looking at it very, very actively , said Antony Blinken, traveling to Moldova.

                  But Poland does not necessarily agree with the American proposal. Poland will not send its fighter jets to Ukraine, nor will it allow the use of its airports. We are providing significant assistance in many other areas , the Prime Minister's Office wrote on Twitter on Sunday.

                  Separately, Blinken is scheduled to meet with French President Emmanuel Macron in Paris on Tuesday evening to continue coordinating responses to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the department's spokesman said on Sunday. of State, Ned Price.

                  Romania singled out by Moscow

                  Russia, for its part, called on the European Union and theNorth Atlantic Treaty OrganizationNATO not to send advanced weapons systems to Ukraine . The Kremlin also warned neighboring countries of Ukraine on Sunday against hosting fighter jets which would then be used against Moscow's forces.

                  Moscow accuses Romania, a member country of theNorth Atlantic Treaty OrganizationNATO , for authorizing such landings.

                  Virtually all of the Kiev regime's combat-capable aviation was destroyed. But we know from a reliable source that Ukrainian aircraft flew to Romania and other neighboring countries , said Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov.

                  The use of the airfield network of these countries as a base for Ukrainian military aircraft and their subsequent use against the Russian armed forces could be considered as an involvement of these countries in an armed conflict , he added.

                  This is pure rhetoric aimed at diverting attention from what is really happening on the ground - civilians killed, the rules of armed conflict flouted , reacted Romanian Prime Minister Nicolae Ciuca, during an interview televised.

                  Moscow may try to scare us […], we have no reason to feel threatened , he added.

                  Ciuca referred to an incident reported by the Romanian military on February 24, the first day of the Russian aggression, when a Ukrainian fighter jet was intercepted in Romanian airspace and forced to land there. . The pilot had reported technical problems on board, according to Bucharest.

                  The plane left [March 1 ] unarmed from Romania, precisely to avoid any possible accusation from Moscow, underlined the Prime Minister, specifying that the Romanian authorities had made the incident public in complete transparency .

                  Ukraine urges Western countries to set up a no-fly zone over its territory, a request rejected by theNorth Atlantic Treaty OrganizationNATO which sees a great risk of direct confrontation with Moscow.

                  On Saturday, President Putin warned that Russia would consider co-belligerent any country attempting to impose a no-fly zone over Ukraine.

                  Israel's Moral Duty

                  Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett meanwhile met Vladimir Putin on Saturday and also held talks with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

                  Mr Bennett said on Sunday that his efforts to mediate the war between Russia and Ukraine were a moral duty , even if there was little chance of success.

                  “ Even if there is little chance of success, as long as there is an openness and we have access to both sides and the capacity [to act], I see it as a moral duty to try everything. »

                  — A quote from Naftali Bennett, Prime Minister of Israel

                  Mr. Bennett made these remarks before his government in Jerusalem, the day after his meeting in Moscow with President Vladimir Putin, a trip to Berlin and phone calls with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

                  Tandis que les appels au cessez-le-feu se multiplient à l'endroit du président de la Russie Vladimir Poutine, les États-Unis travaillent « activement » sur l'envoi d'avions de chasse en Europe, témoignant d'une diplomatie à géométrie variable d'un pays à l'autre.
                  "Safety and security don't just happen, they are the result of collective consensus and public investment. We owe our children, the most vulnerable citizens in our society, a life free of violence and fear."
                  -Nelson Mandela


                  • #26
                    There has been a lot of media focus attempting to distance Ukraine from their Neo-Nazi military alliance. But the Neo-Nazi's (Nationalists), are an important part of the country and completely intertwined with the government and armed forces. To shed light on this issue and give a broader understanding of the complexity surrounding the war in Ukraine, here are a few links that deconstruct Ukraine's relationship to nazism.

                    Profile: Who are Ukraine’s far-right Azov regiment?
                    The far-right neo-Nazi group has expanded to become part of Ukraine’s armed forces, a street militia and a political party.
                    The far-right neo-Nazi group has expanded to be part of Ukraine’s armed forces, a street militia and a political party.

                    As the Russian invasion of Ukraine enters its sixth day, a Ukrainian far-right military regiment is back in the headlines.
                    Russian President Vladimir Putin referenced the presence of such units within the Ukrainian military as one of the reasons for launching his so-called “special military operation … to de-militarise and de-Nazify Ukraine”.

                    On Monday, Ukraine’s national guard tweeted a video showing Azov fighters coating their bullets in pig fat to be used allegedly against Muslim Chechens – allies of Russia – deployed in their country.

                    Azov has also been involved in training civilians through military exercises in the run-up to Russia’s invasion.

                    So what is the Azov regiment?
                    Azov is a far-right all-volunteer infantry military unit whose members – estimated at 900 – are ultra-nationalists and accused of harbouring neo-Nazi and white supremacist ideology.

                    The unit was initially formed as a volunteer group in May 2014 out of the ultra-nationalist Patriot of Ukraine gang, and the neo-Nazi Social National Assembly (SNA) group. Both groups engaged in xenophobic and neo-Nazi ideals and physically assaulted migrants, the Roma community and people opposing their views.

                    As a battalion, the group fought on the front lines against pro-Russian separatists in Donetsk, the eastern region of Ukraine. Just before launching the invasion, Putin recognised the independence of two rebel-held regions from Donbas.

                    A few months after recapturing the strategic port city of Mariupol from the Russian-backed separatists, the unit was officially integrated into the National Guard of Ukraine on November 12, 2014, and exacted high praise from then-President Petro Poroshenko.

                    “These are our best warriors,” he said at an awards ceremony in 2014. “Our best volunteers.”

                    Who founded Azov?
                    The unit was led by Andriy Biletsky, who served as the the leader of both the Patriot of Ukraine (founded in 2005) and the SNA (founded in 2008). The SNA is known to have carried out attacks on minority groups in Ukraine.

                    In 2010, Biletsky said Ukraine’s national purpose was to “lead the white races of the world in a final crusade … against Semite-led Untermenschen [inferior races]”.

                    Biletsky was elected to parliament in 2014. He left Azov as elected officials cannot be in the military or police force. He remained an MP until 2019.

                    The 42-year-old is nicknamed Bely Vozd – or White Ruler – by his supporters. He established the far-right National Corps party in October 2016, whose core base is veterans of Azov.

                    Before becoming part of Ukraine’s armed forces, who funded Azov?
                    The unit received backing from Ukraine’s interior minister in 2014, as the government had recognised its own military was too weak to fight off the pro-Russian separatists and relied on paramilitary volunteer forces.

                    These forces were privately funded by oligarchs – the most known being Igor Kolomoisky, an energy magnate billionaire and then-governor of the Dnipropetrovska region.

                    In addition to Azov, Kolomoisky funded other volunteer battalions such as the Dnipro 1 and Dnipro 2, Aidar and Donbas units.

                    Azov received early funding and assistance from another oligarch: Serhiy Taruta, the billionaire governor of Donetsk region.

                    Neo-Nazi ideology
                    In 2015, Andriy Diachenko, the spokesperson for the regiment at the time said that 10 to 20 percent of Azov’s recruits were Nazis.

                    The unit has denied it adheres to Nazi ideology as a whole, but Nazi symbols such as the swastika and SS regalia are rife on the uniforms and bodies of Azov members.

                    For example, the uniform carries the neo-Nazi Wolfsangel symbol, which resembles a black swastika on a yellow background. The group said it is merely an amalgam of the letters “N” and “I” which represent “national idea”.

                    Individual members have professed to being neo-Nazis, and hardcore far-right ultra-nationalism is pervasive among members.

                    In January 2018, Azov rolled out its street patrol unit called National Druzhyna to “restore” order in the capital, Kyiv. Instead, the unit carried out pogroms against the Roma community and attacked members of the LGBTQ community.

                    “Ukraine is the world’s only nation to have a neo-Nazi formation in its armed forces,” a correspondent for the US-based magazine, the Nation, wrote in 2019.

                    Human rights violations and war crimes
                    A 2016 report by the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OCHA) has accused the Azov regiment of violating international humanitarian law.

                    The report detailed incidents over a period from November 2015-February 2016 where Azov had embedded their weapons and forces in used civilian buildings, and displaced residents after looting civilian properties. The report also accused the battalion of raping and torturing detainees in the Donbas region.

                    What has been the international response to Azov?
                    In June 2015, both Canada and the United States announced that their own forces will not support or train the Azov regiment, citing its neo-Nazi connections.

                    The following year, however, the US lifted the ban under pressure from the Pentagon.

                    In October 2019, 40 members of the US Congress led by Representative Max Rose signed a letter unsuccessfully calling for the US State Department to designate Azov as a “foreign terrorist organisation” (FTO). Last April, Representative Elissa Slotkin repeated the request – which included other white supremacist groups – to the Biden administration.

                    Transnational support for Azov has been wide, and Ukraine has emerged as a new hubfor the far right across the world. Men from across three continents have been documented to join the Azov training units in order to seek combat experience and engage in similar ideology.

                    The oscillation of Facebook
                    In 2016, Facebook first designated the Azov regiment a “dangerous organisation”.

                    Under the company’s Dangerous Individuals and Organizations policy, Azov was banned from its platforms in 2019. The group was placed under Facebook’s Tier 1 designation, which includes groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and ISIL (ISIS). Users engaging in praise, support or representation of Tier 1 groups are also banned.

                    However, on February 24, the day Russia launched its invasion, Facebook reversed its ban, saying it would allow praise for Azov.

                    “For the time being, we are making a narrow exception for praise of the Azov regiment strictly in the context of defending Ukraine, or in their role as part of the Ukraine national guard,” a spokesperson from Facebook’s parent company, Meta, told Business Insider.

                    “But we are continuing to ban all hate speech, hate symbolism, praise of violence, generic praise, support, or representation of the Azov regiment, and any other content that violates our community standards,” it added.

                    The reversal of policy will be an immense headache for Facebook moderators, the Intercept, a US-based website, said.

                    “While Facebook users may now praise any future battlefield action by Azov soldiers against Russia, the new policy notes that ‘any praise of violence’ committed by the group is still forbidden; it’s unclear what sort of nonviolent warfare the company anticipates,” the Intercept wrote.


                    • #27
                      Jimmy Dore does an excellent job deconstructing Neo-Nazi influence and activities in Ukraine. Discussed is a press conference with the leader of the Neo-Nazi group C14 who outlines a new power alliance with Turkey, Poland, Britain, and Ukraine that doesn't rely on NATO. In surprising revelations, the C14s take credit for starting the war-- they brag about all the weapons they now have. They declare they don't want to "join Europe" which in their view has already collapsed. The C14 leader declares, "We are a huge powerful state, and if we come to power it will be both joy and problems for the whole world."


                      alternative link

                      Since the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the resulting cries of “We are all Ukraine,” many have been eager to downplay the proliferation of neo-Nazis in Ukrainian paramilitary groups, the Ukrainian armed forces and even parts of the government. As Jimmy and The Grayzone’s Max Blumenthal discuss, reports of neo-Nazis in Ukraine are not at all exaggerated, and the Zelensky government is, in fact, largely beholden to these racist, xenophobic, anti-gay groups that brag of the “fun” they get from fighting and killing.


                      Above Photo: Fighters in Ukraine’s neo-Nazi Azov Battalion in 2014, in a photo published by the Atlantic Council. Creative Commons / Flickr.

                      The NATO military alliance’s de facto think tank, the Atlantic Council, promoted a notorious neo-Nazi militia in Ukraine, the Azov Battalion, in a 2014 article that depicted the fascist extremists as anti-Russian heroes.

                      The Atlantic Council is one of the most powerful think tanks in Washington. With funding from the US State Department, numerous Western governments, NATO, and the weapons industry, it plays a key role in shaping US foreign policy, particularly toward Russia.



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                        This is a rather odd argument and one initially put out by Russian propaganda and disinformation campaigns. There is a clear limit as to the extent of neo-Nazi influence in Ukraine, given that their president is Jewish. Even if Russia felt that there was a neo-Nazi threat within Ukraine, that doesn't justify an invasion of the country to eliminate it. There are much more clear and larger neo-Nazi presences in the US, France, UK, etc. Does Russia intend to invade those as well?

                    • #28

                      The present and very dangerous Ukrainian crisis seems to be fueled by many powerful interests, several of them not widely reported.
                      Here are a few additional links with information that may help us all achieve a better understanding of the origins of the conflict, war, and history in Ukraine and where it may lead:

                      A discussion

                      * Russian Defense Ministry: Documents/Evidence Proves US Developed Bio-Weapons in Ukraine

                      The agency published the original materials from Ukrainian biological laboratories

                      According to the General, information was received from employees of Ukrainian biological laboratories about the urgent destruction of especially dangerous pathogens on February 24:

                      …plague, anthrax, tularemia, cholera and other deadly diseases.


                      * Ukraine’s Nukes and Weapons of Mass Destruction

                      By Nauman Sadiq, VT Islamabad

                      Russian media alleged today that Ukraine was close to building a plutonium-based “dirty bomb” nuclear weapon. The TASS, RIA and Interfax news agencies quoted “a representative of a competent body” in Russia as saying Ukraine was developing nuclear weapons at the destroyed Chernobyl nuclear power plant recently seized by Russian forces.

                      Shortly before the military intervention in Ukraine, Russian President Putin also noted in an address to the nation that Ukraine was using Soviet know-how to create its own nuclear weapons, and that this was tantamount to preparation for an attack on Russia.


                      * You’re Being Lied to About Ukraine & Russia | The Truth—with Pedro Gonzalez

                      With staggering amounts of propaganda emanating from the conflict in Ukraine, and with the Western Media’s agenda-driven, full-throated embrace of it all, Charlie is joined by Pedro Gonzalez, Associate Editor of Chronicles Magazine, to help make sense of it all. Throughout the conversation, Pedro gives some of the most comprehensive, detailed breakdowns of what is being done by Ukrainian President Zelenskyy, how the West is responding, the shocking and largely untold history of the region, and finally—where all the capitulation and chaos will eventually lead civilization as we know it.


                      * Ukrainian President Zelenskyy... Yes, Really

                      Before he ran for the presidency, Volodymyr Zelenskyy was a comedian. Here’s a video from 8 years ago that was wiped from YouTube but which was resurrected on BitChute on the Plazma channel.



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                        I do appreciate your attempt to show all media views of this conflict, particularly those not widely shared in the West.

                        But a lot of what you have posted in the above several posts is clearly false information put out by the Russian government to serve as disinformation to back its unlawful invasion of its neighbor.

                        A quick cite Russian claims that Ukraine was trying to use plutonium to build a dirty bomb. Why would they do that? There are much more widely available radioactive isotopes that one could use than something as rare and guarded as plutonium. But of course, if plutonium is a problem in Ukraine, then the nuclear power plants become military targets....

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                      As I mentioned a few times on the COVID-19 discussion threads, we are not a political site. Thanks for some background on some of the problems in Ukraine. Every country - sadly - has a lunatic fringe.

                      Ukraine had about 42 million people with approximately 1.5 million recently evaculated. Please focus on the huge humanitarian problem that is developing. As I said on the COVID-19 threads we are not going to solve any of the political problems. In this case an International Criminal Court has been convened that will investigate Ukraine issues back to 2013.

                      The health problems (mental and physical) that are being created by the Russian invasion will be far reaching. Not only are the Ukrainians affected but also the Russian citizens, Poland, Moldova, the Baltic states...more...

                      This site lost participants when I would not let people spend energy on bashing Trump, Fauci, HHS, CDC, W.H.O., Biden, etc. in the pandemic but we have a long standing policy against being political. I stated a few times that it will be up to future tribunals to determine what occurred and who is to blame. Politics are devisive for the site - and then who are we helping?

                      People count on us to be the one place where objectivity is a priority.


                      I also want to add that governments - especially the "Super Powers" can not use the lunatic fringe group excuse to invade a neighbor. An example of this would be if the US used the excuse of the numerous deadly Mexican cartels on our border region to militarily invade Mexico. The US could use the excuse that the Mexican government is not enforcing their own laws and is putting US lives on the line every single day with the drug smuggling and corresponding violence. In fact, Mexico is one of the most violent places in the world now due to the cartel violence. Of the top 10 most violent cities in the world, 7 Mexican cities are listed - with 2 on the US border. link


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                        "Threat to Public Health" is the title of this thread. Politics is not supposed to be part of it. One nation invaded another and is now killing it's citizens in addition to it's soldiers. One has boots on the ground on another nations land and is killing people. Most definitely a threat to their public health. The same nation that invaded is also making threats it will utilize it's nuclear arsenal against other nations if they do not stay out. Most definitely a threat to other nation's public health.

                        Keep the discussion on threats to public health and not the politics on either side. If this cannot be done then Sharon please remove me from this website. I do not want to have anything to do with it.

                        (No, I am not interested in any sort of debate on this. I've said what I have been wanting to say for several days now.)