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    Updated 6:24 PM EDT, Wed July 17, 2024 By Donald Judd ( and Sam Fossum (, CNN​ CNN — President Joe Biden ( tested positive for Covid-19 on Wednesday and is experiencing mild symptoms, according to the White

    5 things to know about Biden’s case of Covid

    07/17/2024 08:35 PM EDT
    His infection is the latest in a string of high-profile positive tests in Washington, including Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra and Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.).
    While being vaccinated and boosted against Covid protects against severe disease and death, being 81 ups Biden’s chance of getting seriously sick. Adults over 65 have the highest risk of developing severe disease from Covid, and more than 81 percent of Covid-related deaths occur in that age group, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    “Even if somebody has been fully vaccinated and boosted multiple times, if you’re in his age group, the age in and of itself is a risk factor for more severe cases of Covid,” said Dr. Céline Gounder, an epidemiologist and infectious disease specialist at New York University’s medical school and editor-at-large for public health at KFF Health News.
    Biden’s infection comes as high or very high Covid virus levels are being recorded in the wastewater of 26 states, Gounder said. The CDC’s latest Covid data shows a significant uptick in emergency room visits due to the disease, and the test positivity rate as of July 6 was 11 percent.

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    Covid-19 interview : “This new wave could well disrupt the Olympics”, warns Professor Antoine Flahault

    In mid-June 2024, contaminations and hospitalizations linked to Covid-19 are on the rise and suggest the emergence of a new summer wave.

    By Timothée L’Angevin
    Published on June 14, 2024 at 4:25 p.m.

    Will Covid -19 come and play spoilsport during the Paris Olympics ? If the situation is very different from the first waves of contamination in June 2024, it is very likely that France will experience an explosion of cases in the weeks to come , due to the mixing of populations and the emergence of a new variant of Omicron, warns Professor Antoine Flahault, epidemiologist and director of the Institute of Global Health at the University of Geneva, also author of the book Prévenez-moi! .

    “KP.3, a new variant about which we don’t yet know much”

    Actu : Based on the data available to you, can we confirm an increase in cases in recent days/weeks?

    Antoine Flahault: Yes, the early signals provided by wastewater monitoring (which makes it possible to detect the viral load in the population, in the absence of tests which are rarely used anymore) have shown for several weeks an increase in the circulation of SARS -CoV-2 in France and other European countries such as the United Kingdom and Portugal.
    We do not have much information on the predominant variants in France. In Portugal, more than two-thirds of cases in which virus sequences could be identified are due to a new Omicron sub-variant called KP.3, about which little is yet known. I would not be surprised to learn that in France the same sub-variant is also required.

    “Summer fails to completely stem the risk of a Covid wave”

    How can we explain that contaminations are increasing, when we are (normally) in a period that is not very conducive to winter viruses?

    AF: SARS-CoV-2 and its variants are not “winter viruses”. Almost every summer since the start of the pandemic, we have experienced waves of Covid. They are generally less strong than in winter and less severe too, but still associated with an increase in hospitalizations, deaths and cases of long Covid.
    Summer braking is therefore very relative. Perhaps in the summer, with more social contact outdoors, better ventilation of premises, the closure of schools with the holidays, we can hope to reduce the reproduction rate of the virus by around 40%, but Covid remains such a transmissible disease, its reproduction rate is so high compared to that of the flu for example, that the summer does not manage to completely stop the risk of a wave of Covid.

    Can we talk about a new wave?

    AF: It is still a little early to know if the currently visible increase signals the start of a summer wave of Covid, but it is the most likely hypothesis. This wave of Covid which is expected in Europe in the coming weeks could well disrupt the Paris Olympic Games this summer, unfortunately.

    “A wave as severe as that of last summer”

    Should we really fear an explosion of cases this summer with population mixing?

    AF: We have no reason today to fear a particularly severe wave of Covid this summer, but it is entirely possible that a fairly strong wave of contaminations will occur in France, concomitantly with the period of the Olympic Games. A wave, which could be similar in amplitude and severity to that which occurred last summer. We did not have the same memory of it as at the start of the pandemic because the hospitals were not saturated nor the morgues, largely thanks to vaccination, fortunately.

    What would be the consequences for sporting events and for our healthcare system?

    AF: We see that the French team competing for the Euro football is currently suffering, in Germany, from an epidemic whose origin probably viral and respiratory has not been communicated to us. This is exactly the type of inconvenience that athletes could suffer from in the event of high circulation of the coronavirus during this period.
    They are young, probably all vaccinated or previously immunized against previous variants of SARS-COV-2, in good health and should therefore not suffer from serious forms or complications of Covid, apart from in certain cases persistent forms of long Covid , because they can reach everyone.
    However, the very elderly, immunocompromised people, pregnant women and their newborns are at greater risk. They must be protected and take precautions to avoid contamination.

    “The French are concerned about issues other than Covid-19”

    Are these alerts taken seriously enough by the authorities?

    AF: The public authorities and the French population in general seem concerned about issues other than Covid today. And yet, with almost certainty, a new wave of contaminations is looming and the authorities should perhaps better prepare for it in the context of upcoming sporting events.
    Recommending now to meet in well-ventilated places, rather on terraces and outdoors, would be a timely and inexpensive first initiative. It would have the advantage of reminding us that the coronavirus has not been eliminated, that it is once again actively circulating in the territory and that it can continue to wreak havoc on the population.

    What should public authorities do to limit damage during the competition?

    AF: At the moment when the only warning signals come from wastewater, public authorities should above all redouble their vigilance with regard to Covid. They can prepare to reintroduce prevention messages, in particular the wearing of FFP2 masks in closed places and on public transport.
    Along with other experts on the subject, allow me to remind you that if public authorities decided on an ambitious prevention plan aimed at substantially and lastingly improving indoor air quality, we could probably live free from threats. of these highly contagious respiratory viruses which are transmitted almost exclusively in closed, crowded and poorly ventilated places where people spend more than an hour.
    Satisfactory ventilation should be ensured as a high priority in nurseries, schools, hospitals and nursing homes, but also bars, cafes and restaurants.

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    Covid: Is Taylor Swift the origin of a cluster?

    American singer Taylor Swift gave four performances in Paris last May. Since then, many Internet users have reported symptoms or even proven cases of Covid. A situation that many fans minimize, but which worries others.

    By Thomas Graindorge
    Published on 05/17/2024 at 7:34 p.m., modified 05/17/2024 at 10:54 p.m.
    As our colleague Marianne reports , several "swifties" (name given to Taylor Swift aficionados) reported , after the concerts on May 9, 10, 11 and 12, due to Covid symptoms . “All the people I know have fallen ill ,” testifies one of them on X (ex-Twitter). “After the Taylor Swift concert, I had Covid like the majority of the concert. But it was worth it,” said another. “I think there are a lot of people who caught it there ,” questioned an Internet user.

    It would seem that this phenomenon is not just an illusion or a fad of social networks. If we are to believe the Public Health France bulletin of May 14, emergency visits for suspected Covid are increasing among those under 15 (+20%) and those 15 and over (+28%). . Taylor Swift 's four event concerts brought together some 180,000 people. “ The conditions are then met because we spend more than 3 hours singing, shouting, howling our happiness at being together in closed places , ” analyzes doctor Antoine Flahault on his X account .

    Paris La Défense Arena, which hosted the star, however, denies any responsibility to this day. On its website, we can read that “ Paris La Défense Arena guarantees you a healthy space for the duration of the event. The room was designed to manage air treatment, guaranteeing spectators a welcome in optimal health, safety and comfort conditions . But for some, this type of event is far from smiling.

    ​For lawyer and activist Elisa Rojas, “ this is far from being a funny anecdote, it is serious . No one to take the opportunity to remind people of the risks linked to Covid and the means to protect themselves ,” she denounces on X. Taylor Swift is due to perform on Sunday June 2 and Monday June 3 in Lyon. The lawyer thus asks a fan account of the singer to warn “everyone of the risks of Covid infections. Previous shows have been proven covid clusters. “It’s everyone’s health that is at stake . ”

    La chanteuse américaine Taylor Swift a donné quatre représentations à Paris, en mai dernier. Depuis, de nombreux internautes ont fait état de symptômes, voire de cas avérés de Covid. Une situation que nombre de fans minimisent, mais qui en inquiète d’autres.

    Covid-19: mega-concerts causing new epidemics?

    Published on 05/19/2024 09:56
    Article written by franceinfo - E. Lagarde, V. Lucas, L. Lavieille, @RevelateursFTV

    Could Taylor Swift's concerts in Paris have led to the creation of giant clusters? With 180,000 people over four days, many fans say they tested positive for Covid-19 after the American singer's concerts.

    After Taylor Swift 's concert , several dozen fans reported falling ill on social networks. 45,000 people shouting and singing in the largest concert hall in Europe is a situation conducive to creating a source of contamination. The event reminds us of a reality: Covid-19 is still circulating. The week of May 13, cases were also on the rise among young people. The owners of the concert hall emphasize that all standards were respected.

    Insufficient measures

    The case greatly interested Pascal Morenton, professor of physics. He simulated air quality based on data provided by the concert hall. Regulatory, but not sufficient. “After 2 hours, I found a rate of 1,772 PPM, which is almost twice the recommended rate for an enclosed space ,” he explains. For him, since Covid, the installations have not progressed enough.

    Les concerts de Taylor Swift à Paris auraient-ils permis la création de clusters géants ? Avec 180 000 personnes sur quatre jours, de nombreux fans déclarent avoir été testés positifs au Covid-19 après les concerts de la chanteuse américaine.

    Cases of Covid-19 after Taylor Swift concerts: the organizer explains

    After American star Taylor Swift's four concerts in Paris, many fans reported symptoms linked to Covid-19 or even proven cases. When questioned, the management of Paris La Défense Arena ensures that all health standards have been respected.

    By Xavier Martinage
    Published on 05/21/2024 at 7:33 a.m., modified to10:48 a.m.

    Concerts which were eagerly awaited by Taylor Swift fans . On May 9, 10, 11 and 12, the American star brought together more than 180,000 people in the largest venue in Europe, Paris La Défense Arena in Nanterre. So many enthusiastic “swifties” (name given to Taylor Swift aficionados) who nevertheless reported symptoms linked to Covid-19 after the concerts . On social networks, numerous testimonies have poured in while the Covid-19 virus is still circulating and cases are on the rise among young people.

    But were the health standards sufficient at the beginning of May in the concert hall? Questioned by France Télévisions , the owners of Paris La Défense Arena highlighted the measures taken ahead of the events: “ The air that comes in is completely purified and then it is renewed every two hours by these seven air extractors which reject it outside. We went well beyond what was asked of us at the regulatory level within the framework of Covid standards ,” explained Bathilde Lorenzetti, director of Paris La Défense Arena.

    Too high a CO2 level

    But was that really the case? Or was it insufficient? For our colleagues from France Télévisions, a physics professor simulated the air quality based on data provided by the concert hall. He recorded, in two hours, a CO2 level of 1,172 ppm , “almost twice the recommended rate for an enclosed space” . Is there a risk when going to a concert today? “Sometimes yes ,” according to him.
    Après les quatre concerts de la star américaine Taylor Swift à Paris, de nombreux fans ont fait état de symptômes liés au Covid-19 voire de cas avérés. Interrogée, la direction de Paris La Défense Arena assure que toutes les normes sanitaires ont été respectées.


    OSCOUR national information bulletin of May 14, 2024

    Published on May 15, 2024
    Updated on May 15, 2024
    Passages for suspected COVID-19 are increasing among those under 15 years old (+20% or +8 passages) and among those aged 15 and over (+28% or +71 passages). The increase is mainly marked among those aged 75 and over (+46% or +48 passages). This upward trend has been observed for several weeks.

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  • sharon sanders

    Not medical advice. I am at extremely high risk for a bad COVID-19 outcome. I have several risk factors.

    I received a Novavax booster last week. I did not feel any consequences. This was my 2nd Novavax booster. I think I prefer this one over the Moderna or Pfizer.

    Generally going into the Spring and Summer I am still avoiding crowds. I do go into a restaurant at low volume times, i.e. 8 am. I prep my nose and gargle with mouthwash before and after. We try to sit outside and away from other tables if inside. I stay boosted. I always carry an N95 mask. I wear it inside all stores. I also always carry a hand sanitizer.

    So far I have not contracted COVID-19, or any other illness, that I know of. I like not getting colds, flu, novavirus, sinus infections, etc.

    I am not getting negative comments anymore when I wear a mask, but I did tell a neighbor last week that I had just come back from getting a booster shot and I could tell they were making a huge effort not to comment. I perceived that they are not in favor of COVID-19 vaccines. When I called the pharmacy to see if they carried the Novavax vaccine, the pharmacist said I did not need an appointment because "no one wants them" (meaning all COVID-19 vaccines).

    I have no idea if I have any medium or long term problems from the COVID-19 vaccines but I have not had any cardiac, circulatory, cancer events that I know of. Time will tell. Meanwhile - I am still alive and do not have long-covid either. So...who knows....?

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  • Pathfinder
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    The CDC released updated recommendations on March 1, 2024:

    Hat tip Lance:

    CIDRAP- CDC announces new respiratory virus guidance, ends COVID isolation policy

    March 1, 2024, 06:49 PM CDC announces new respiratory virus guidance, ends COVID isolation policy Stephanie Soucheray, MA ( Today at 4:05 p.m. Today Mandy Cohen, MD, director of the Centers for

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    German patient vaccinated against Covid 217 times

    23 hours ago
    By Michelle Roberts,Digital health editor

    A 62-year-old man from Germany has, against medical advice, been vaccinated 217 times against Covid, doctors report. The bizarre case is documented in The Lancet Infectious Diseases journal. The shots were bought and given privately within the space of 29 months. The man appears to have suffered no ill effects, researchers from the University of Erlangen-Nuremberg say.

    'Very interested'

    "We learned about his case via newspaper articles," Dr Kilian Schober, from the university's microbiology department, said. "We then contacted him and invited him to undergo various tests in Erlangen. He was very interested in doing so." The man provided fresh blood and saliva samples. The researchers also tested some frozen blood samples of his that had been stored in recent years.

    Researchers have written up the unusual case in a medical journal.



    Adaptive immune responses are larger and functionally preserved in a hypervaccinated individualPublished: March 04, 2024DOI:
    In summary, our case report shows that SARS-CoV-2 hypervaccination did not lead to adverse events and increased the quantity of spike-specific antibodies and T cells without having a strong positive or negative effect on the intrinsic quality of adaptive immune responses. While we found no signs of SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infections in HIM to date, it cannot be clarified whether this is causally related to the hypervaccination regimen. Importantly, we do not endorse hypervaccination as a strategy to enhance adaptive immunity.

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    The CDC may be reconsidering its COVID isolation guidance

    FEBRUARY 14, 2024 6:01 AM ET
    Pien Huang

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may soon drop its isolation guidance for people with COVID-19. The planned change was reported in The Washington Post on Tuesday, attributed to several unnamed CDC officials.

    Currently, people who test positive are advised to stay home for at least five days to reduce the chances of spreading the coronavirus to others. The unnamed officials told the Post that the agency will advise people to rely on symptoms instead. If a person doesn't have a fever and the person's symptoms are mild or resolving, they could still go to school or work. These changes could come as early as April.

    The CDC hasn't yet confirmed the report. In an email, an agency spokesperson wrote that the CDC has "no updates to COVID guidelines to announce at this time. We will continue to make decisions based on the best evidence and science to keep communities healthy and safe."

    The current guidance advises five days of isolation. Unnamed health officials have indicated that this guidance may soon go away, a move that troubles public health experts.

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    Wastewater tests show COVID infections surging, but pandemic fatigue limits precautions

    Tulane professor says public should be made more aware of risks

    BY: TIM HENDERSON - JANUARY 23, 2024 10:29 AM
    Although it’s spotty and inconsistent in many places, wastewater testing is pointing to a new wave of COVID-19 infections, with as many as one-third of Americans expected to contract the disease by late February.

    With pandemic fatigue also in full force, and deaths and hospitalizations well down from peaks in 2021 because of high vaccination and immunity rates, many people are inclined to shrug off the new wave, fueled by the JN.1 variant. But COVID-19 continues to take thousands of lives a month. Older, sicker people need to take particular precautions, experts point out, and everybody should think about the debilitating condition known as long COVID that can strike even young, healthy people and last years.
    Like many experts, Hoerger said everybody should be more aware of the high risk and try to avoid getting infected or reinfected with COVID-19, since every new infection increases the chance of long COVID.
    “Everyone is vulnerable in some way. The best way to avoid getting long COVID is to avoid getting COVID,” Hoerger said.
    To me it’s almost unethical that we’re not warning people that this highly transmissible virus is still with us and some people should really be taking precautions.

    – David Freedman, Clemson University environmental engineer
    Older people and cancer patients make up an increasing proportion of COVID-19 deaths, according to Stateline’s analysis. People 65 or older made up 88% of those deaths last year, compared with 69% in the peak year for deaths, 2021. Cancer patients made up 12% of COVID-19 deaths last year, up from 5% in 2021.

    In some states with older populations, COVID-19 deaths remain stubbornly high compared with other states. Vermont had the lowest COVID-19 death rate in the country in 2021 but now ranks fourth in the number of deaths per capita, behind Kentucky, West Virginia and Mississippi.
    Wastewater testing points to a new wave of COVID-19, with as many as one-third of Americans expected to contract the disease by late February.

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  • gsgs
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    they talk about millions ... the 4 trillion in relief payments are forgotten
    I remember, how I was shocked in late March 2020 when I learned how
    expensive the pandemic is.
    Yet everything is fine now .. except 1M deaths and inflation

  • gsgs
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    for anyone. I remember Snowy Owl's thread long ago.
    They are better now. I got 3 used ones meanwhile.
    People don't take covid serious here now.
    Not in the news

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    States trashing troves of masks and pandemic gear as huge, costly stockpiles linger and expire

    By The Associated Press and JENNIFER PELTZ and DAVID A. LIEB
    Published: Dec. 20, 2023 at 6:12 AM CST|Updated: 2 hours ago

    (AP) - When the coronavirus pandemic took hold in an unprepared U.S., states scrambled for masks and other protective gear.

    Three years later, as the grips of the pandemic have loosened, many states are now trying to deal with an excess of protective gear, ditching their supplies in droves.

    With expiration dates passing and few requests to tap into its stockpile, Ohio auctioned off 393,000 gowns for just $2,451 and ended up throwing away another 7.2 million, along with expired masks, gloves and other materials. The now expiring supplies had cost about $29 million in federal money.

    A similar reckoning is happening around the country...

    An Associated Press investigation found that at least 15 states, from Alaska to Vermont, have tossed some of their trove of PPE because of expiration, surpluses and a lack of willing takers.

    Into the trash went more than 18 million masks, 22 million gowns, 500,000 gloves, and more. That’s not counting states that didn’t give the AP exact figures or responded in cases or other measures. Rhode Island said it got rid of 829 tons of PPE; Maryland disposed of over $93 million in supplies.
    “Anytime you’re involved in a situation where you’re recalling how difficult it was to get something in the first place, and then having to watch that go or not be used in the way it was intended to be used, certainly, there’s some frustration in that,” said Louis Eubank, who runs the South Carolina health department’s COVID-19 coordination office. The state has discarded over 650,000 expired masks.
    As the grips of the pandemic have loosened, many states are now trying to deal with an excess of protective gear, ditching their supplies in droves.

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  • sharon sanders
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    Is this for me? We were going to make our own with a box fan and air filters but we ran out of time. We used fans only and they were placed to push air away from the at-risk people. In addition, we had the activities outside in a screened room.

  • gsgs
    what air-purifyer do you use ?
    Xiaomi 3H was best in German tests,
    I got a used one at $120 at ebay

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  • gsgs
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    32% in Germany in week 46 (we are now in week 49)
    percent in weeks 39,..,46 : 2,3,4,7,10,14,18,32

    hospitalizations in this wave seem to have reached the top now

    Arbeitsgemeinschaft Influenza (AGI) am Robert Koch-Institut. Von der 40. bis zur 20. Kalenderwoche, also während der Wintersaison, finden Sie hier aktuelle und fundierte Informationen zur Aktivität der Influenza.

    increasing RSV, no flu yet