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  • sharon sanders
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    bump this

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  • Emily
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufy2AweXRkc
    Dr. John Campbell
    1.44M subscribers
    New Pfizer antiviral and ivermectin, a pharmacodynamic analysis New Pfizer antiviral, PF-07321332, C₂₃H₃₂F₃N₅O₄

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  • Emily
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    Dr. Campbell strikes again! Enjoyed.

  • sharon sanders
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    Originally posted by Shiloh View Post
    Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809

    Ivermectin: How false science created a Covid 'miracle' drug
    By Rachel Schraer & Jack Goodman
    BBC Reality Check
    Published 18 hours ago

    Ivermectin has been called a Covid "miracle" drug, championed by vaccine opponents, and recommended by health authorities in some countries. But the BBC can reveal there are serious errors in a number of key studies that the drug's promoters rely on.

    For some years ivermectin has been a vital anti-parasitic medicine used to treat humans and animals.

    But during the pandemic there has been a clamour from some proponents for using the drug for something else - to fight Covid and prevent deaths.

    The health authorities in the US, UK and EU have found there is insufficient evidence for using the drug against Covid, but thousands of supporters, many of them anti-vaccine activists, have continued to vigorously campaign for its use...
    Dr. Campbell weighs in on this article. I agree 100% with his comment that he is greedy - he wants both effective vaccines and great treatment options. I do not know why the woke culture to trying to make us choose? Why can't we have both?


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  • Shiloh
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    Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809

    Ivermectin: How false science created a Covid 'miracle' drug
    By Rachel Schraer & Jack Goodman
    BBC Reality Check
    Published 18 hours ago

    Ivermectin has been called a Covid "miracle" drug, championed by vaccine opponents, and recommended by health authorities in some countries. But the BBC can reveal there are serious errors in a number of key studies that the drug's promoters rely on.

    For some years ivermectin has been a vital anti-parasitic medicine used to treat humans and animals.

    But during the pandemic there has been a clamour from some proponents for using the drug for something else - to fight Covid and prevent deaths.

    The health authorities in the US, UK and EU have found there is insufficient evidence for using the drug against Covid, but thousands of supporters, many of them anti-vaccine activists, have continued to vigorously campaign for its use...

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  • sharon sanders
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      JJackson commented
      Today, 03:27 PM
      I do not know who the CDC Health Alert Network are but I do not think they have anything to do with 'The CDC', they seem to be a pro-Ivermectin lobby.
      [EDIT] I dug a little deeper and the CDC Health Alert Network is part of the CDC but I can not see how it can be referenced as pro Ivermectin given the text says
      "Ivermectin is not authorized or approved by FDA for prevention or treatment of COVID-19. The National Institutes of Health’s (NIH) COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel has also determined that there are currently insufficient data to recommend ivermectin for treatment of COVID-19."

      The Indian COVID kit is unfortunate as Ivermectin has yet to be shown to be effective and Doxycycline is an antibiotic which will not impact the virus but may well lead to resistance.
      Last edited by JJackson; Today, 04:53 PM.
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    I am so "over it" with the US health departments. They all disagree with each other in varying degrees. The mask fiasco is one example. This is why this site recommendation is to consult with your medical practitioner.

    As to the India situation - I really like John Campbell but these outbreaks run in waves and the India wave was hitting a downturn when the kits were distributed anyway. I am not sure there is any correlation between the wave downturn and some of the contents of the kits. Overall the kits are probably better than nothing since they include masks and an oximeter. Time will tell as the pandemic is not over.

    I would personally love it if any of the known and inexpensive drugs already available were a safe and effective alternative to a vaccine. I am just not convinced. I have not asked for ivermectin or hydroxy. I know that pandemics take a few years to run the cycle. I am not comfortable with taking either long term at this point. I am also not thrilled with two vaccine shots a year - for how long? A couple more years?

    If I sound frustrated it is because I am. Since I am high risk I have restricted my outings for more than a year. I was not happy to take the first rounds of vaccine and now I am trying to decide on the booster. Moderna is not approved yet for use as a booster so I have time to consider this. I am not happy about the available drugs either. Masks give some level of protection so I use them. I think as a high risk person I am fairly screwed for the next year at least. I just have to accept this - as irritating as it is.

    I know many people are just living as usual. And that is their choice. It is not mine. I respect other people's choices and I hope people respect mine.

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  • JJackson
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    I do not know who the CDC Health Alert Network are but I do not think they have anything to do with 'The CDC', they seem to be a pro-Ivermectin lobby.
    [EDIT] I dug a little deeper and the CDC Health Alert Network is part of the CDC but I can not see how it can be referenced as pro Ivermectin given the text says
    "Ivermectin is not authorized or approved by FDA for prevention or treatment of COVID-19. The National Institutes of Health’s (NIH) COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel has also determined that there are currently insufficient data to recommend ivermectin for treatment of COVID-19."

    The Indian COVID kit is unfortunate as Ivermectin has yet to be shown to be effective and Doxycycline is an antibiotic which will not impact the virus but may well lead to resistance.
    Last edited by JJackson; October 3, 2021, 04:53 PM.

  • Emily
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO9cjy3Rydc

    Dr. John Campbell

    1.15M subscribers

    Goa, home medical kit with ivermectin, zinc and vitamin D
    Chief Minister Dr. Pramod Sawant in the presence of Minister for Health Shri
    https://www.thehindu.com/news/nationa...
    https://www.goa.gov.in/wp-content/upl...
    Pulse Oximeter Digital Thermometer Paracetamol tablets (15) Vitamin C tablets (30) Multivitamin tablets with Zinc (30) Vitamin D3 tablets (2 packs) Ivermectin 12mg tablets (10) Doxycycline 100mg tablets (10) Three-ply face masks (5) N-95 Masks (2) Sanitizer (100ml) Alcohol based Wipes (1 box with 20 plies) Gloves (2 pairs) UP Population 204 million
    https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-...
    https://www.thehindu.com/news/nationa...
    No fresh Covid cases in UP's 59 districts Last 24 hours, 191,446 samples tested 33 samples tested positive Test Positivity Rate, lower than 0.01
    Active caseload Currently 187 April, 310,783
    Factors to explain success
    Targeted testing of specific groups
    Early detection Contact tracing Isolation
    Free and timely provision of medicine kits and treatment to the rural populace $2.65 per person
    https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities...
    State government, 50 lakh medical kits through village surveillance committees A team of doctors will supervise the administration of doses as well as distribution of the medical kits among the children in all 75 districts of the state
    https://medicalupdateonline.com/2021/...
    ugust 2020 Government Order (GO), ivermectin-based treatment kit
    People with mild or asymptomatic covid-19 Kept in home isolation
    Mild case Oxygen saturation more than 94% Moderate case Oxygen saturations 90-94%
    Indication for hospitalisation Oxygen saturations below 90%
    Of those testing positive 90% successfully treated at home 10% hospitalised
    Treatment pack Ivermectin Doxycycline Vitamin D Vitamin C Vitamin B Zinc Paracetamol Thermometer Pulse oximeter
    Local Covid Control Centres Twice-daily phone calls to household contacts to check on progress They asked for oxygen saturation levels and temperature readings
    Checked that ivermectin and doxycycline had been taken
    Dr Suryakant Head Department of Respiratory Medicine, King George Medical University, Lucknow, UP Overall mortality in 2020 in India was 2.4%
    Uttar Pradesh it was only 2.0% that is the beauty, that is the success story of ivermectin (Dr Suryakant is brand ambassador for covid vaccination in India) UP highlighted by WHO
    https://www.who.int/india/news/featur... https://journals.plos.org/plosone/art... https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ https://indianbarassociation.in/wp-co... Uttarakhand Population 10 million
    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/... State-level clinical technical committee Chief Secretary Om Prakash to all district magistrates The panel has recommended the Ivermectin tablet as “mass chemoprophylaxis” to effectively control the surge of COVID-19 infection Official health advisory from CDC https://emergency.cdc.gov/han/2021/pd...

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  • sharon sanders
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    Disclosure: I am not using ivermectin and have not asked for it. I have no idea if this drug works on COVID-19, or not.


    It seems to me that at the point Ms. Wolski was diagnosed with a terminal situation there was an argument that she be given the choice to take ivermectin under the Right to Try Act:

    The Right to Try Act, or the Trickett Wendler, Frank Mongiello, Jordan McLinn, and Matthew Bellina Right to Try Act, was signed into law May 30, 2018. This law is another way for patients who have been diagnosed with life-threatening diseases or conditions who have tried all approved treatment options and who are unable to participate in a clinical trial to access certain unapproved treatments.

    more....

    https://www.fda.gov/patients/learn-a...ions/right-try

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  • Emily
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    A woman died in a Chicago hospital that wouldn't allow her ivermectin, wouldn't release her to seek care elsewhere, and wouldn't allow a wellness check by friends. (She was reported as estranged from her family.) I wonder if her thyroid meds were changed, (T4/T3 ratio), or dosed incorrectly.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ve...tal/ar-AAOonGM
    John Keilman, Chicago Tribune 5 hrs ago
    ...
    Wolski’s cause of death was pneumonia due to COVID-19 infection with hypothyroidism as a contributing factor, a spokeswoman for the Cook County medical examiner’s office said Monday morning.

    For more than a week, her supporters besieged Resurrection with demands that Wolski be given ivermectin.
    ...

    Some COVID patients and their families have sued hospitals when doctors have declined to offer ivermectin. In May, a DuPage County judge ordered Elmhurst Hospital to allow a comatose patient, Nurije Fype, to receive the medication after none of its physicians agreed to administer it.

    An outside doctor gave Fype the drugs, and according to social media accounts account run by her daughter, she improved and eventually returned home....
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    Lin Wood recorded his call to the hospital trying to get Ms. Wolski released per her medical power of attorney waiting outside with a doctor and ambulance.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2e8C2Yxyd4

    Telegram Lin Wood

    Start with the Headline (which is the only thing to which most readers pay attention).

    “How Lin Wood and His QAnon Fans Tried to Force a Hospital to Use Ivermectin.”

    What??? Force Amita Resurrection to use Ivermectin???

    Are you kidding me???

    I have and had no idea what medical treatment Veronica Wolski was receiving at Amita. I received a phone call from a friend who represented that she was the lawful holder of Veronica’s Medical Power of Attorney and that she and Veronica were demanding that Veronica be transferred ASAP to another facility for treatment. The word Ivermectin was never mentioned.

    I made NO reference to Ivermectin in my call to the hospital. Here is the TRUTH below and unlike Mother Jones and its Mockingbird propaganda flock, the video camera eye does not lie.

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  • sharon sanders
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    I see some others were checking. For a study this is what I do:

    1) Read it.
    2) Form an initial opinion about the probability it is even semi-correct. For example, I have not believed any of the studies saying young children do not spread coronavirus at school when as a mother I know that young children DO spread coronavirus at school.
    3) Look at the researchers. I always want to see a conflict of interest declaration. This can be helpful regarding their sources of income. I try to do a cursory check of theiraffiliations. Where are they employed? How long? What other publications do they have? Who have they worked with on their publications? Does their work seem objective? Double blind studies? Is there a general trend of bias regarding their conclusions in their publications? Or not? What references are cited in their paper?
    Last edited by sharon sanders; September 10, 2021, 08:33 AM. Reason: took out "bump this" and replaced with a real comment

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  • Emily
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...oo-good-check/
    Opinion: Bogus Oklahoma ivermectin story was just too good to check
    Opinion by Erik Wemple
    Media critic
    Today at 3:32 p.m. EDT
    ...
    Yet there should be no minimizing the two-step horror of what KFOR-Maddow-Daily News-Rolling Stone and others did in this case: First, they failed to see through a phantom story, likely because it tickled their own preconceptions of life in a red state. And second, when the story was exposed, they tweaked a headline, appended an “update,” added a comment or inserted “context” — all of them cowardly quarter-measures at war with any self-respecting book of journalistic standards.

    Journalists like to say that when they’re confronted with their errors, they correct them. Ha.



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  • Emily
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    Pulled due to concerns about scientific research methods, the veracity of the original, peer-reviewed report and the statement made by the FDA that infertility is not a known side effect.

    https://www.wfla.com/community/healt...n-study-finds/
    Ivermectin infertility story correction: FDA rejects 2011 Nigeria study

    by: Erin Coulehan
    Posted: Sep 8, 2021 / 08:23 PM EDT / Updated: Sep 9, 2021 / 12:43 PM EDT
    Editor’s note: Following audience concerns over the efficacy and accuracy of the scientific methods used in the ivermectin study performed in Nigeria in 2011, the original publishing station, KTSM, issued the following correction:...

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  • sharon sanders
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    I am not impressed with the journal.

    It appears that the lead researcher listed, Idonije O.B has not published anything for almost 10 years and I can not find him on the university's site. It also appears Asika E.C has not published since 10 years. Okhiai, O - also about 10 years.

    If anyone has any questions about ivermectin, or any other drug/vaccine/treatment, please consult your medical practitioner.

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  • sharon sanders
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    Originally posted by mcphilbrick View Post
    Several television stations have a story today about a Nigerian study that found that Ivermectin causes sterility. Snopes.com discounts that information claiming the study was not published.

    I believe I found the study: https://www.scholarsresearchlibrary....s-patients.pdf

    According to the heading it was published in Archives of Applied Science Research. https://www.scholarsresearchlibrary....ence-research/

    I found it on the Scholars Research Library website. This site appears to be a membership based resource for scientific journals. https://www.scholarsresearchlibrary.com/

    The study also references two other studies with animals.

    Can anyone speak to the legitimacy of the Scholars Research Library site and/or to the legitimacy of the research article?
    Taking a look. I like that it was published well in advance (2011) of this pandemic so that is not an influence. Not so great is that the authors have not declared any conflicts (or not) of interest....still looking....

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