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    This is Mask It! Weekend

    Put a Mask On It

    Ok...people...#coronavirus is a respiratory infection and so logic says keep your breathing to yourself!

    Make a homemade mask. Wear at home, work, bank, grocery store.

    Not perfect,but something...ideas here:

    https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/ideas-on-how-to-protect-yourself-from-new-coronavirus-2019-ncov/discussion-how-to-make-a-mask

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    • Social Distancing Scoreboard


      United States
      242,078 confirmed cases

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      25 - 40% Decrease in Average Mobility (Based on Distance Traveled)

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      55 - 60% Decrease in Non-Essential Visits


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      Our interactive Social Distancing Scoreboard informed millions on the changes in how people moved across the US during the COVID-19 pandemic.
      "Safety and security don't just happen, they are the result of collective consensus and public investment. We owe our children, the most vulnerable citizens in our society, a life free of violence and fear."
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      • 'Take This Serious': Bus Driver Dies Of COVID-19 After Calling Out Coughing Rider


        April 3, 20204:01 PM ET


        Jason Hargrove was behind the wheel of a bus in Detroit when he said a passenger began to cough. The middle-aged woman let loose four or five times without covering her mouth, he said, and watching her do this — at the same time Michigan was under a state of emergency for the coronavirus — got him so upset, he felt compelled to vent his frustrations in a video afterward.

        more...

        https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...coughing-rider

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        • Sally Furniss
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          The woman in question may have had any number of conditions that caused her to cough, perhaps she is a smoker. None the less she should have been practicing cough etiquette. She should have stayed home if her cough was due to a transmissible respiratory illness

          The tragically dead bus driver may have caught the virus from an asymptomatic passenger. ?This Field Briefing using data from the cruise liner Diamond Princess states "A total 255 (48%) of the confirmed cases were asymptomatic when the respiratory specimen was collected" https://www.niid.go.jp/niid/en/2019-...-dp-fe-01.html

      • An app being used (roll out in several steps) in Iceland to monitor patients in quarantine at home
        https://www.frettabladid.is/frettir/...19-sjuklingum/

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        • Again, we are so sorry for all of the suffering. Reading all these case counts & deaths is just unbelievable.

          Thank you to all of our health care providers, delivery people, everyone who is holding society together. We owe you.

          Please take care.

          The Team at FluTrackers

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            Thanks for asking. I am doing ok. I have been going through a process like everyone else. First, horrible events in China, but hoping they could contain it. Then the spread in Asia. Then Europe and the US. It is just like every pandemic tabletop exercise I have ever seen. --->
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            I kept hoping there would be a stop to the cases. A new way to use an old drug...something really effective to stop the deaths from climbing...but each day the numbers increase...--->
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            So at this point we are in it. I get up everyday and log on, and try to find the best way to help the most people. Our entire team feels this way. How can we help the most people today?

            And then I eat some chocolate. Play with the dogs. Hope for the best.

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            • I had to setup a first responder today with handful of n95 and a 30% h2o2 vapor sterilization kit for reuse with protocols because they have nothing being provided by their department. He has a wife and baby at home and is living separately because he was unable to protect himself much less his family. With proper sterilization knowledge one mask can be used 50-80 times. All first responders need access to this ability. Give a first responder a mask and he will protect himself for a day. Give a first responder a mask and teach him to properly sterilize it and he can protect himself and others during the entire outbreak.

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              • Originally posted by Supa View Post
                I had to setup a first responder today with handful of n95 and a 30% h2o2 vapor sterilization kit for reuse with protocols because they have nothing being provided by their department. He has a wife and baby at home and is living separately because he was unable to protect himself much less his family. With proper sterilization knowledge one mask can be used 50-80 times. All first responders need access to this ability. Give a first responder a mask and he will protect himself for a day. Give a first responder a mask and teach him to properly sterilize it and he can protect himself and others during the entire outbreak.
                So I’m not a scientist and this is not a suggestion or recommendation. My question is would it be possible that a store bought pressure cooker could potentially be used to sterilize N95 masks similar to what you describe Supa. Questions to be determined would be does the mesh/fabric deform with stream and the mask stay usable, should water or some other liquid like H2O2 be used (and specifically the safety of using H2O2 in a retail pressure cooker), times and pressures needed to be effective on a virus verses bacteria and fungus, safety.

                For comparison this study shows that retail pressure cookers can be used as effectively as an autoclave.

                “All four pressure cookers tested were able to inactivate the microbes present in all of the trials except for the inactivation of G. stearothermophilus spores, in which only the Instant Pot was able to produce steam, pressure, and heat to the level necessary to achieve sterilizing conditions.”

                https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0208769

                “ Assessment and verification of commercially available pressure cookers for laboratory sterilization”

                The first study looked at sterilization of liquids and metals.

                this older one looked at syringes but with stove top pressure cookers

                Christensen EA, Skadhauge K, Ravn-Jonsen A. Autoclaving of syringes in pressure cookers. Acta Pathol Microbiol Scand. 1963;58(521–527).

                Here is a 3M material sheet on the material used to construct a 3M N95 mask https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/...ifications.pdf



                • Straps – Thermoplastic Elastomer
                • Nose Clip – Aluminum
                • Nose foam - Polyurethane
                • Filter – Polypropylene
                • Shell – Polyester
                • Coverweb - Polyester
                • This respirator contains no components
                made from natural rubber latex
                • Approximate weight of product: 0.35 oz.

                and interesting enough it says that it can also be used for liquid mists

                Use For
                • Use for solid particulates and liquid mists in concentrations not exceeding 10X PEL/OEL

                This plastic industrial spec sheet seems to show that polypropylene can achieve good sterilization in an autoclave. It seems to note that polyurethane (nose foam) and polyester (covering) don’t do as well.



                and this notes that polyurethane (the nose foam again) is not compatible with autoclaves



                Compatible/Incompatible Materials
                • Tissue Culture Flasks
                • Surgical Instruments
                • Glassware
                • Pipette tips
                • Media Solutions
                • Animal food and bedding
                • Waste
                • Polypropylene (Secondary containers)
                • Stainless steel
                • Gloves
                • Acids, bases and organic solvent
                • Chlorides, sulphates
                • Seawater
                • Chlorine, hypochlorite, bleach
                • Non-stainless steel
                • Polystyrene(PS)
                • Polyethylene(PE)
                • Low density (LDPE) and High

                So maybe the nose piece and covering and elastic straps would be an issue.

                finally the 3M technical bulletin on disinfecting disposable N95 masks


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                • The CDC looked at quite few methods and their pros and cons and it appeared VHP was a winner as it did not impact the filtration performance, did not have penetration issues, and byproducts are water and oxygen that evaporated without residue.



                  Steam if I recall correctly degraded the filter fabric

                  Duke University studied and documented VHP as their preferred method



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                  • senegal1
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                    Thanks Supa for the reply.



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                  • TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — Taiwan's Central Epidemic Command Center (CECC) head on Sunday (April 5) demonstrated how to disinfect a used mask with a rice cooker.

                    As surgical face masks are still in short supply despite a massive ramp-up in production, Health minister and CECC head Chen Shih-chung (陳時中) during a press conference on Sunday, demonstrated how to use a rice cooker to disinfect a mask for reuse. During a light-hearted presentation, Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Director-General Wu Shou-mei (吳秀梅) talked Chen through the simple steps of using a rice cooker to dry heat a mask to kill bacteria and viruses after use.

                    In the video, Wu directs Chen to place the metal rack at the bottom of the cooker. However, Chen accidentally places it in the bottom of the metal pot, prompting her to joke "the minister has never cooked rice before."

                    The room then erupts with laughter as Chen grins and shakes his head out of embarrassment. Wu then asks Chen to place the metal rack inside the cooker first, followed by the metal pot.

                    She then asks Chen to place a mask inside the metal pot and cover it with the cooker's lid. Wu quips that users must remember to plug in the rice cooker, inducing more laughs from the audience.

                    Next, she asks Chen to press the "cook" button on the device. However, Chen struggles mightily to locate the proper button, before being guided by Wu to the correct lever.

                    A light switches on indicating that the device is starting to cook the contents inside. Wu explains that after three minutes, the button will pop back up, meaning that it has finished its cooking cycle.

                    However, she advises users to allow the mask to continue to sit inside for another five minutes. She said that after that five-minute wait is over, the mask should be successfully disinfected.

                    Also in the video, she advises the public not to place water inside the cooker as would normally be the case when making rice and steaming foods as it will damage the mask. She reiterates that spraying disinfectant on the masks is a less desirable method than using a rice cooker because it could damage its electrostatic layer.

                    Wu states that a surgical face mask could be disinfected with the rice cooker method she demonstrated "four or five times." According to Wu, research on the procedure carried out by the FDA has found that the bacterial filtration efficiency (BFE) of the masks can be maintained at a level of 99 percent when dry heating the masks in this way, even after five times.

                    "The only security we have is our ability to adapt."

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                    • senegal1
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                      Thanks kiwibird.

                  • Originally posted by kiwibird View Post
                    As surgical face masks are still in short supply despite a massive ramp-up in production, Health minister and CECC head Chen Shih-chung (陳時中) during a press conference on Sunday, demonstrated how to use a rice cooker to disinfect a mask for reuse. During a light-hearted presentation, Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Director-General Wu Shou-mei (吳秀梅) talked Chen through the simple steps of using a rice cooker to dry heat a mask to kill bacteria and viruses after use.
                    More info from above link ... " Lai said that certified surgical masks when new usually only have a filtering effectiveness rate of 80 percent, but with this method, the masks can be sterilized up to five times and still achieve a filtering effectiveness rate of 70 percent.

                    As for spraying the masks with alcohol or bleach, can damage their material and weaken their filtration capabilities. Lai said that spraying a surgical mask just once with alcohol or bleach can reduce its filtering capabilities by 50 percent, reported UDN.

                    In response to internet rumors that masks can be sterilized with hairdryers, Lai said that this method has not yet been tested. He said he does not recommend it because the sterilization effect achieved through using a hairdryer may be uneven"

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                      A note: You are going to see slight variations in case, death, hospitalization counts. Govs tend to report once a day. Some media update continuously. These small differences are not significant.

                      What you want to look for is the overall trend over several days.

                      #coronavirus


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                      Here is our scientific library on COVID-19, SARS-CoV-2. Our entire team adds pertinent papers. "tetano", who is a pediatrician in Italy, is the volunteer curator - still posting while seeing patients.

                      If there is a paper we don't have plz let us know.

                      https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library…



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                      Again, we are so sorry for all of the suffering that everyone is going through. Us too.

                      Take care of you.

                      #coronavirus


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                      Our homemade mask forum: https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/ideas-on-how-to-protect-yourself-from-new-coronavirus-2019-ncov/discussion-how-to-make-a-mask…

                      #coronavirus #COVID19 #Covid_19


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                      • Originally posted by sharon sanders View Post
                        Posting for posterity only



                        The latest situation of the new coronavirus pneumonia epidemic situation as of 24:00 on April 6


                        Release time: 2020-04-07 Source: Health Emergency Office


                          From 0 to 24:00 on April 6, 31 provinces (autonomous regions and municipalities) and the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps reported 32 newly confirmed cases, all imported cases; no new deaths; 12 new suspected cases, all Import cases for overseas.
                          On the same day, 89 newly discharged cases were cured, 2365 close contacts were released from medical observation, and 54 severe cases were reduced.
                          There are 698 confirmed cases imported overseas (including 21 severe cases) and 89 suspected cases. A total of 983 cases were diagnosed and 285 cases were discharged and no deaths were found.
                          As of 24:00 on April 6, according to the reports of 31 provinces (autonomous regions and municipalities) and the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps, there were 1242 confirmed cases (211 severe cases), 77167 cases were discharged, and 3331 cases were dead. A total of 81,740 confirmed cases were reported, and 89 suspected cases are currently available. A total of 714720 close contacts were tracked, and 14499 close contacts were still under medical observation.
                          There were no newly confirmed cases in Hubei, 59 new cases were cured and discharged (59 cases in Wuhan), and there were no new deaths. There are 518 confirmed cases (515 cases in Wuhan), including 184 severe cases (181 cases in Wuhan). A total of 64,073 cases were discharged from hospital (46,922 in Wuhan), 3,212 cases were dead (2571 in Wuhan), and 67,803 cases were diagnosed (50008 in Wuhan). There are no new suspected cases and no existing suspected cases.
                          31 provinces (autonomous regions, municipalities directly under the Central Government) and Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps reported 30 new cases of asymptomatic infections, including 9 cases of asymptomatic infections imported from abroad; 2 cases of confirmed cases that day (two cases imported overseas); Observed 42 cases (7 cases were imported from abroad). 1033 cases of asymptomatic infection are still under medical observation (275 cases were imported from abroad).
                          A total of 1331 confirmed cases were reported from Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan: 914 cases in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (216 discharged and 4 deaths), 44 cases in the Macau Special Administrative Region (10 discharged), and 373 cases in Taiwan (57 discharged and 5 deaths) ).




                        (Note: When quoted by the media, please mark "the information comes from the official website of the National Health and Health Commission.")



                        http://www.nhc.gov.cn/xcs/yqtb/20200...f9fd2fe9.shtml
                        The report above gives the false impression that this pandemic will simply end one day. Bingo - no more COVID-19. Go back to your normal life.

                        This will not happen. This disease is endemic in humans now. It will ebb and flow through the world's populations until we achieve global herd immunity - or a safe and efficient vaccine is developed.

                        Expect various life disruptions for a year.

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                        • Une simple remarque que, si vous trouvez non apte, pour ce lieu, vous pouvez la supprimer:
                          quand une compagnie am?ricaine, se prend les pieds dans le tapis, pour des questions de certification, d'agr?ment, de morts humaines, etc, c'est ?trange, mais ensuite et pour la premi?re fois de l'histoire de l'aviation, sauf pour une vraie guerre, on supprime les vols pour tout le monde, bien s?r, pour un autre motif

                          Ce monde: l'aviation est plus que criticable, il ne paye pas de taxe, il pollue ( les toilettes sont d?vers?es en vol ) sans jamais ?tre responsabilis? et responsabilisable. Il est pour la premi?re fois stopper, ce serait bien qu'il ne puisse reprendre sans que bien des dossiers soient pos?s sur la table et aplanis...


                          Qui aurait pu imaginer avant l'accident industriel de cette compagnie que cela soit possible ?
                          https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspen...Boeing_737_Max


                          Maintenant c'est fait, donc, cela devrait ?tre regard? avec beaucoup de soin ...

                          Le langage de guerre me fatigue, je lis bien trop souvent sur la guerre ?conomique, d?sormais, on a droit en plus ? la guerre sanitaire, sur fond de guerre ?conomique.

                          franchement se battre ? coup de billet sur un tarmac pour quelques paquets de masques...

                          Cette Reine, n'en a pas us? :
                          http://www.evangeliques.info/article...ion-21222.html

                          La comp?tition, oui, mais la guerre, non.

                          La guerre , cela a quand m?me quelques r?gles, et quelques concepts, sont en place pour limiter certains comportements. Ce n'est donc, de mon point de vue, pas un hasard si celui d'imp?ritie, n'est pas mieux ?clairer...
                          https://artflsrv03.uchicago.edu/phil...imp%C3%A9ritie

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