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  • Emily
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    Travis Air Force base is in Solano County. Military, federal, state and city jurisdictions are in a legal battle over that one. State feared local hospitals could not handle the strain. Virus may have leaked out of one of them, or the base itself. This will make quarantine centers even bigger hot potatoes.

  • Commonground
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    A man is being quarantined at Naval Base Ventura County-Point Mugu, where it was announced late Sunday, Feb. 23, that the base might be used as a quarantine site for travelers being monitored for the novel coronavirus, officially known as COVID-19.
    The traveler was taken to the base Sunday, Feb. 23, and local officials said the traveler is healthy and is being monitored based only on travel history. The traveler is a U.S. citizen who lives outside of California, who was going to travel from Beijing to LAX and then onward domestic travel.

  • Commonground
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    A community meeting — closed to the general public and media — was held Monday, Feb. 24, at 6:30 p.m. at the Pt. Mugu Theater. A doctor from the Centers for Disease Control was one of the speakers.

  • Commonground
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    California:
    NEWS FROM AROUND THE OJAI VALLEY

    U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services, Ventura County Health and Human Services provide update on Point Mugu coronavirus center today
    Published: Wednesday, 26 February 2020 13:43


    The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services held a press conference in Camarillo Wednesday, Feb. 26, in regard to the COVID-19 novel coronavirus quarantine center at Naval Base Ventura County-Point Mugu.
    ...At 1:30 p.m. today, Orange County officials announced a local emergency as well as a local health emergency in response to novel coronavirus. This announcement comes one day after San Francisco declared a local emergency Feb. 25. ...

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  • gsgs
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    Trump's "State of the Union Adress"

    [ wrt. keywords China and Coronavirus only ]

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    I also promised our citizens that I would impose tariffs to
    confront China's massive theft of American jobs.
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    For decades, China has taken advantage of the United States,
    now we have changed. At the same time, we have the best
    relationship we have ever had with China
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    Protecting Americans' health also means fighting infectious diseases.
    We are coordinating with the Chinese government and working closely
    together on the Coronavirus outbreak in China.
    My Administration will take all necessary steps to safeguard our
    citizens from this threat.
    --------------------

    ## includeing the WHO recommendations about China-like travel restrictions,
    "lockdown" and quarantine ?

    ## there is only a very small passage about coronavirus in the speech,
    Trump doesn't consider this really important,
    In deep contrast to China's "war against the virus (devil)", which has the top priority.
    ## OK, it's not there yet in USA but the danger is there (50%?) and you must
    look into the future not summarise the past

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    Trump also said he is in contact with China and he compares it with flu.

    And the Chinese deaths are low recently, maybe they have
    (secret) info that the deathrate is lower now, presumably due
    to new treatment methods, and that could be the reason for the
    Trump's relax

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    separate Trump statement concerning coronavirus
    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/p...dy/4887341002/

    "Trump says : we are ready"
    "We're very, very ready for this," "The risk to the American people remains very low."
    don’t believe it is inevitable that the virus will spread in the United States
    but it “probably” will.

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  • gsgs
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    I assume they tested the recent pneumonia deaths first in IRAN, when they discovered COVID

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  • QuadrupleM
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    So the good news is it looks like they were at a medical center who knows how to do PPE and has taken care of coronavirus patients but the bad news is they were 1. Transferred in and 2. There for over a week. Hard to be perfect on PPE.

    Plus the amount of time means that others could already be sick and spreading.

    So it begins for the US.

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  • Shiloh
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    Source: https://finance.sina.com.cn/money/fu...f4718972.shtml


    Iran is in a hurry! Death rate 20 times higher than global average
    February 27, 2020 10:38

    旭 Qian Xuming, an associate researcher at the Middle East Institute of Shanghai International Studies University, said in an interview with Times Finance on February 25 that based on the current domestic economic environment and medical and health conditions in Iran, it is difficult to control the epidemic.

    Following the outbreak in Italy, an epidemic centered on Iran also emerged in the Middle East. Even the Iranian Deputy Minister of Health and members of the National Assembly "recruited".

    An Iranian Ministry of Health spokesperson confirmed in an interview with Iranian National Television on February 25 local time that Iranian Deputy Minister of Health Iraj Harirchi has been diagnosed with the infection and is currently being quarantined. An Iranian lawmaker, Mahmoud Sadiqi, even tweeted: "My test for a new coronavirus (nucleic acid) is positive ... I don't have much hope of continuing to live in this world."

    以来 Since the first confirmed case of coronavirus infection was reported on February 19, the number of confirmed and fatal cases announced in Iran has increased sharply in the past few days.

    汗 Jahanpur, director of the Public Relations and Information Center of the Ministry of Health of Iran, said on February 25 local time that 34 new cases of new coronary pneumonia were diagnosed in Iran, of which 16 were from Qom and 3 were dead. At present, 95 patients with new coronary pneumonia have been diagnosed in the country, and 15 patients have died.

    It is worth noting that, with the exception of Hubei, China, the global average mortality rate for new coronary pneumonia is only about 0.7%. However, in sharp contrast, the death rate from the Iranian outbreak has exceeded 15%, which is about 20 times the global average. Such a high mortality rate has raised concerns about the severity of the Iranian outbreak and the authenticity of the statistics.

    Not only that, eight Middle Eastern countries other than Iran also reported their first cases in the past two days, including Afghanistan, Bahrain, Kuwait, Iraq, and Oman, and many of these cases are directly related to Iran.

    Iran has a total of seven onshore neighbors, six of which have closed their borders with Iran. (Source: Twitter)

    At present, the UAE, Bahrain, Oman, Kuwait and other countries have restricted or stopped flights to and from Iran. At the same time, six neighboring countries, except Azerbaijan, have closed their land borders with Iran.

    When asked about the surge in Iranian cases, Michael Ryan, director of the World Health Organization's (WHO) Emergency Planning, responded on February 25 that when a country's first confirmed cases were announced, people might place too much emphasis on death Quantity, but more worryingly, the virus may have been there longer than expected.

    In addition, a WHO team has arrived in Iran on February 25.

    What is the actual outbreak?

    Although the statistical mortality rate will indeed make the mortality rate high in the case of a small number of confirmed patients, different voices have emerged in Iran regarding the actual situation of the epidemic.

    美 According to the Associated Press, Ahmad Amirabadi Farahani, a local lawmaker from Qom, the Iranian outbreak center, accused the Iranian government of concealing the number of confirmed diagnoses and deaths.

    Falahani was interviewed by local media after traveling to Tehran on February 24th local time to attend the Iranian National Assembly. He said that 10 people died of New Crown Pneumonia every day in Qom. Until the evening of February 23, as many as 50 people died of New Crown virus, and more than 250 were quarantined. "The Minister of Health should be responsible for this result, and as far as the spread of the new crown virus in Qom is concerned, I think the government's performance in controlling the virus has failed."

    It is worth mentioning that Farahani's remarks have also been cited and reported by semi-official news agencies such as the Iranian Labor News Agency (ILNA). In response, Iranian Ministry of Health spokesman Ilage Haric responded on February 24: "No one has more authoritative information than us, and sometimes people will confuse ordinary flu with new crown pneumonia and misunderstand."

    Subsequently, Harwich announced the number of confirmed cases and revealed that there are still about 900 suspected cases in Iran that are being tested for viruses.

    At the same time, the Director General of the World Health Organization, Tan Desai, said on February 24 that even if the Iranian parliamentarians' statements were not true, Iran is currently the country with the highest number of deaths due to the new coronavirus pneumonia outside China.

    耶路撒冷 According to the Jerusalem Post, the Iranian government previously organized citizens to vote in parliamentary elections on February 21. According to official statistics, at least 11 million people have voted in crowded enclosed spaces. Iranian people have doubts that the Iranian government is trying to ensure that the parliamentary elections have hidden the outbreak.

    It is worth noting that the local MP, Ahmad Sadik, who has been diagnosed with New Coronary Pneumonia, is also a member of the Iranian National Assembly on February 24.

    抗 Anti-epidemic under sanctions “willing”

    Regardless of the true situation of the Iranian epidemic, the more important question is whether Iran can control the domestic epidemic and continue to escalate. But judging from the current Iranian response measures and effects, the Iranian government may be "powerless".

    布 Abu Kaba, head of the WHO's Eastern Mediterranean Regional Office, believes Iran has the ability to respond to the outbreak because Iran has one of the best health systems in the Middle East. But he is also concerned that US sanctions will affect Iran's ability to respond to the outbreak.

    In response to the epidemic, the Iranian government announced on February 24 that schools, cinemas and other cultural venues in 14 of the country's 31 provinces will be closed. All cultural and artistic activities that lead to crowd gathering will be banned for a week.

    It is reported that the measure was originally targeted at Qom Province, but as the epidemic has worsened, the measure has now been extended to western and northern Iran's provinces, including: Makazi, Gilan, Ardabil, Kerman Shah, Qazvin, Zanjan, Mazandaran, Golestan, Hamidan, Alberts, Semnan, Kurdistan and Tehran.

    The Iranian Ministry of Health also announced on February 24 that the medical expenses related to new coronary pneumonia will be borne by the government. In each city, at least one hospital will be set up to receive, detect and treat new cases of coronavirus. In addition, the Iranian government has designated at least 230 hospitals for the treatment of infectious diseases.

    From the perspective of the implementation of the measures, the domestic epidemic prevention work seems to be in order. But in Qom, the hardest-hit area in Iran, the situation is not optimistic.

    Mohammad R?za Ghadir, the dean of kum University Hospital, called for help from local television on February 24: "We are on the front line, we need help and help Qum."

    Mr. Farahani also said that Qom's local nurses lacked proper protective equipment and that some health experts had left Qom.

    According to Al Jazeera, in a local hospital in Gilan province in northern Iran, a nurse at a local hospital stated, "Although we are on the front line of caring for a suspected infection, we do not have standard protective clothing or masks, nor do we have the necessary disinfectants Hand sanitizer. The hospital only distributed disposable gowns for surgery. "

    Under long-term economic sanctions, Iran's imports and exports were severely hit. The outbreak of the new crown pneumonia epidemic made it difficult for Iran's medical supplies to be replenished.

    In response, Qian Xuming, an associate researcher at the Middle East Institute of Shanghai International Studies University, said in an interview with Times Finance on February 25 that it is difficult to control the epidemic in the short term based on the current domestic economic environment and medical and health conditions in Iran.

    To make matters worse, on February 21st local time, the Paris-based Anti-Money Laundering Financial Action Task Force (FATF) blacklisted Iran, putting greater financial pressure on Iran and Iranian banks.

    According to the Iranian semi-official news agency ILNA, Ramin Fallah, a member of the Iranian Medical Equipment Importers Association, said on February 23 that many international companies have prepared to provide Iran with a new coronavirus detection kit, but due to US sanctions And the new sanctions imposed on Iran by anti-money laundering authorities have made Iran unable to provide them with funding.

    金融 According to the Financial Times on February 24, only the World Health Organization has bypassed these sanctions to help Iran get four sets of diagnostic equipment made in Europe, and more are still on the way.

    The epidemic could spread across the Middle East

    With the outbreak of the Iranian epidemic, confirmed cases related to Iran have also appeared in various countries in the Middle East, which has drawn great attention from governments, because once the outbreak of the Iranian epidemic is out of control, it may spread to the entire Middle East.

    In this regard, Qian Xuming pointed out that Qom is the area where the Iranian epidemic occurred first and is also the worst. At the same time, it is also a shrine of Islamic Shiites. Every year, millions of Muslim pilgrims will go to Qom for pilgrimage. "Religious places are crowded and highly contagious, and pilgrims who visit Qom will return to their home countries and spread the virus to other countries, which may further expand the epidemic in the Middle East."

    According to previous statistics from the Persian Channel, Qom receives about 22 million tourists each year, of which about 2.5 million come from outside Iran.

    Times Finance and Economics has calculated the outbreak data of the Middle East countries as of 12 noon on February 26 according to relevant official reports:

    Afghanistan: 1 confirmed diagnosis

    The Afghan Ministry of Health announced the first case of new coronary pneumonia on February 24. The man was diagnosed after returning to Afghanistan from Qom, Iran. The Afghan government has closed its border with Iran.

    United Arab Emirates: 13 confirmed cases

    There are currently 13 confirmed cases in the UAE, of which the newly confirmed case on February 24 is an Iranian couple. The government suspended all flights to and from Iran for a week and barred citizens from travelling to Iran. The UAE Ministry of Foreign Affairs also called on UAE citizens currently in Iran to contact the UAE embassy.

    Oman: 4 confirmed cases

    The Ministry of Health of Oman announced two new confirmed cases of new coronary pneumonia on February 25. Both patients returned home after traveling from Iran. Oman currently suspends flights to and from Iran.

    Babalim: 23 confirmed cases

    The Bahrain Ministry of Health announced on the evening of the 25th that six new cases of new pneumonia infections were reported. This is the third time that the number of infected people has been increased. The infected persons were four men and two women, both Bahraini, who had visited Iran as in previous cases and then returned to Bahrain via Sharjah airport. This means that a total of 23 infected people in Bahrain had Iranian travel history. The Ministry of Education of Bahrain announced on the same day that all public and private schools, including kindergartens, will be closed for two weeks starting February 26.

    Palestine: No confirmed case

    No confirmed cases have yet appeared in Palestine, but some restaurants and public facilities previously visited by Korean tourists have been closed.

    Qatar: No confirmed cases

    No confirmed cases have occurred in Qatar, but passengers from Iran and South Korea have been quarantined.

    Kuwait: 11 confirmed cases

    According to the Kuwait News Agency (KUNA), on the 25th local time, the Ministry of Health of Kuwait stated that two new cases of pneumonia and pneumonia were newly diagnosed, resulting in a total of 11 confirmed cases in the country. As of February 23, Kuwait had evacuated 800 nationals from Iran and blocked borders and ports.

    Lebanon: 1 confirmed diagnosis

    The first confirmed case of new coronavirus was found on February 22 by the Lebanese Ministry of Health, a 45-year-old female who had traveled to Qom, Iran. It is worth noting that Lebanon's Shiite population is large. Every year thousands of Lebanese make regular pilgrimages to Shiite shrines in Iran, including Qom.

    Saudi Arabia: No confirmed cases

    There is no confirmed case of new coronary pneumonia in Saudi Arabia. The Saudi government announced on February 24: all foreign tourists who have visited Iran must enter Iran 14 days after leaving Iran to prevent the spread of the virus caused by the gathering of religious activities in the two holy Islamic cities of Mecca and Medina.

    Syria: No confirmed cases reported

    No confirmed case of new coronary pneumonia has been reported in Syria, but due to the ongoing civil war in Syria, the government may not have time to confirm the statistics.

    Yemen: No confirmed cases reported

    Yemen has yet to report confirmed cases of new coronary pneumonia, but similar to Syria, Yemeni government forces are currently in conflict with the Houthi armed forces, and the government may not have the time to confirm the statistics.

    Israel: 6 confirmed cases

    The Israeli Ministry of Health announced on February 24 that of the 11 people returning to Israel from the Diamond Princess cruise ship on February 21, one was diagnosed. Currently, two people diagnosed in Israel are from the Diamond Princess, and the four Israeli patients who were previously confirmed on the cruise are still receiving treatment in Japan. As a result, the total number of confirmed cases in Israel is currently six.

    Iraq: 5 confirmed cases

    The Iraqi Ministry of Health stated on February 25 that four new cases of new crown pneumonia have been confirmed in the country's Kirkuk province, and the total number of new cases of new crown pneumonia in Iraq has increased to five. The four new patients came from the same family who had travelled to Iran and are now being treated in isolation.

    As early as February 20, Iraq had announced that it would close its border with Iran and grounded the route between Iran and Iran. The Iraqi government extended a travel restriction order against Iranians by 15 days on February 24. It is worth noting that Iraq's healthcare environment is harsh. According to an estimate by the World Health Organization in 2018, there are fewer than 10 doctors per 10,000 population in Iraq.

    Jordan: No confirmed cases

    No confirmed cases have yet appeared in Jordan, but the Jordanian government also announced on February 23 that it temporarily banned non-Jordanian visitors from Iran, South Korea and China.

    In the evaluation report of the Global Health Security Index, the medical conditions in the Middle East are generally poor. (Source: GHS Index official website)

    It is worth mentioning that the medical conditions in the Middle East are generally poor, and once the epidemic spreads, it may be difficult to control.

    In the Global Health Security Index (GHS Index) released in October 2019, of the 195 countries evaluated, the highest ranking in the Middle East was Israel and the UAE, ranked 54th and 56th, and Lebanon and Oman Tied for 73rd, Jordan and Qatar ranked 80th and 82nd.

    其余 The rest of the Middle East countries, such as Iran and Iraq, have not reached the average score. Iran ranks 97th, Afghanistan 130th, and Iraq 167th. Syria and Yemen, which have suffered many years of war, are among the 10 lowest ranked countries.

    It is understood that the index is evaluated based on six indicators: disease prevention measures, detection capabilities, response efficiency, national health, sanitary standards, and epidemic risk.

    From this perspective, the general health situation in the Middle East may not be able to withstand the outbreak.

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  • Shiloh
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    Interesting article contrasting Taiwan vs China's approach to the epidemic: https://thediplomat.com/2020/02/the-...itarian-china/

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  • sharon sanders
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    First documented community spread case in the US:




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  • sharon sanders
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    Please - A reminder - No Politics on FT.

    Hi Everyone -

    The United States is in the midst of a very divisive political environment. Let's be sure to tap down our political feelings when we post.

    It is fair to discuss various health departments - their actions or inactions, mistakes, advice and such. For instance, I am really wth over the US COVID-19 test kit situation but I am not blaming anyone personally because I have no idea what is going on there.

    There are some comments about the UK health system above. This is fair. There are data that the system is overwhelmed - since a long time.

    We need to keep everything on FT as collegial as possible.

    We are the only media of our type. We do not accept ads. We do not accept any corporate or government $. People look to us for objectivity.

    Thanks for your understanding. We are a political free zone.



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  • kiwibird
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    It's that whole "not making a decision is making a decision" mentality. We have to be more brave than that. There is too much at stake.

  • Shiloh
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    Again, no one knows if this is true: North Korea's first confirmed Coronavirus COVID 19 patient shot dead: report
    Source: https://www.ibtimes.sg/north-koreas-...d-report-40042

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  • JJackson
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    Re. Speed is everything.
    Chinese medics were heavily involved in the West African Ebola outbreak providing medics, beds and labs. I am sure they will have taken away the lessons learnt by the International community's slow response. MSF, and others, were screaming for help right from the outset but little was done, once the outside world woke up they poured in massive aid but still very nearly lost control of the outbreak. Had we, collectively, put in the resources required immediately the outbreak was unlikely to have developed into the catastrophe that occurred either in terms of human or monetary costs. The question is who else was paying attention and learned that hitting an outbreak hard and fast pays dividends in the longer term? As always, if you do go in hard and fast and achieve early containment, the talking heads will claim too much effort was expended on a non event. It is the eternal Catch 22 and can only be countered by consistent and persistent messaging.

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  • sharon sanders
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    This weekend is: I Gotta Have My Addiction Weekend

    If you are quarantined for 2 weeks what do you gotta have? For me it is chocolate.

    No judgment - Go get your addiction this weekend - enough for 2 weeks.

    For other stuff:

    Learn what to do if a pandemic is declared and how to stay safe when a pandemic threatens. Prepare for Pandemic Stay Safe During Stay Safe After Associated Content A pandemic is a disease outbreak that spans several countries and affects a large number of people. Pandemics are most often caused by viruses which can easily spread from person to person.


    #coronavirus #COVIDー19

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