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"L'expert en coronavirus Peter Daszak, membre de l'?quipe de l'OMS, a d?clar? que l'identification de la source de la pand?mie ne devrait pas ?tre utilis?e pour attribuer la culpabilit?."
In China, EcoHealth has worked for 15 years with the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Together they've catalogued hundreds of bat viruses, research that is critical right now.
An American scientist who collaborates with the Wuhan Institute of Virology had his grant terminated in the wake of unsubstantiated claims that COVID-19 is either manmade or leaked out of a Chinese government lab.
Cela existe des personnes s?rieuses ?
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China clamps down in hidden hunt for coronavirus origins
Top Chinese officials quietly ordered strict controls on all COVID-19 research in the country, internal documents obtained by The AP show, cloaking the search for the origins of the virus in secrecy
Via AP news wire 22 hours ago
... The area is of intense scientific interest because it may hold clues to the origins of the coronavirus that has killed more than 1.7 million people worldwide. Yet for scientists and journalists, it has become a black hole of no information because of political sensitivity and secrecy.
A bat research team visiting recently managed to take samples but had them confiscated, two people familiar with the matter said. Specialists in coronaviruses have been ordered not to speak to the press. And a team of Associated Press journalists was tailed by plainclothes police in multiple cars who blocked access to roads and sites in late November.
More than a year since the first known person was infected with the coronavirus, an AP investigation shows the Chinese government is strictly controlling all research into its origins, clamping down on some while actively promoting fringe theories that it could have come from outside China.
Top Chinese officials quietly ordered strict controls on all COVID-19 research in the country, internal documents obtained by The AP show, cloaking the search for the origins of the virus in secrecy
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bump this thread on the sad anniversary of the first news about the emerging pandemic.....
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Leaked Documents Show How China’s Army of Paid Internet Trolls Helped Censor the Coronavirus
As the coronavirus spread in China, the government stage-managed what appeared on the domestic internet to make the virus look less severe and the authorities more capable, according to thousands of leaked directives and other files.
by Raymond Zhong, Paul Mozur and Aaron Krolik, The New York Times, and Jeff Kao, ProPublica
Dec. 19, 5 a.m. EST
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The CAC’s coronavirus controls began in the first week of January. An agency directive ordered news websites to use only government-published material and not to draw any parallels with the deadly SARS outbreak in China and elsewhere that began in 2002, even as the World Health Organization was noting the similarities.
At the start of February, a high-level meeting led by Xi called for tighter management of digital media, and the CAC’s offices across the country swung into action. A directive in Zhejiang Province, whose capital is Hangzhou, said the agency should not only control the message within China, but also seek to “actively influence international opinion.”
Agency workers began receiving links to virus-related articles that they were to promote on local news aggregators and social media. Directives specified which links should be featured on news sites’ home screens, how many hours they should remain online and even which headlines should appear in boldface.
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As the coronavirus spread in China, the government stage-managed what appeared on the domestic internet to make the virus look less severe and the authorities more capable, according to thousands of leaked directives and other files.
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Well...the China government seems to be taking the frozen threat very seriously issuing new national mandates: China - National Health Commission: Preventive and comprehensive disinfection work plan for imported cold chain food - November 9, 2020 https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/...ovember-9-2020 and the China Ministry of Transport link above dated November 27, 2020. I am just following their own statements.
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Freezing is a good way of preserving the virus but I very much doubt this is a significant contribution to infections. PCR is very sensitive and if any of the people packing the product had SARS-CoV-2 at the time it not surprising that it can be detected on the packaging but that is a far cry form finding infectious virus. Could it be the cause of the odd case/cluster - yes. Is ti likely to be the cause of many cases, highly unlikely relative to undetected asymptomatic transmission in the population. If you can not see what is going on then find someone to blame is common, as this whole thread has shown.
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What is the oldest sample with trace of covid 19 in China?
We know the date of the Chinese CDC, activated after x cases, but the date of the first sample on packaging?
That China would have to tell to the O.M.S. to be able to be a little credible, right?
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Les chinois , doivent avoir des d?fauts , mais ils ont aussi, bien des qualit?s . Ils ont regard?, bien des choses et dans le d?tail, c'est s?r.
Mais leur communication r?v?le, aux yeux form?s, plus que ce qu'ils veulent ...
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Yesterday, 05:06 PM
I want to make a comment here about something I saw being talked about. There is speculation that the China government is pushing the "COVID-19 found on imported frozen food packaging" agenda to blame other countries for being the origin of the disease. I think not. The China government did not start mentioning the "frozen" mantra until June:
China - Beijing coronavirus outbreak, frozen food blamed - June 12, 2020+ - cases have spread to 4 provinces
If frozen food packaging was the scapegoat for the origin of COVID-19 then the China government would have started blaming "frozen" much earlier. Like January 1, 2020.
I think these "frozen" discoveries are mostly new outbreaks that they are blaming on frozen imports as an excuse since they are doing such a great job on controlling COVID-19 in a population of 1.4 billion people. Yup. Since the large outbreaks in the spring, the government usually reports that the new outbreaks are all caused by imported people or imported frozen food packaging - with very few exceptions.
Others think that China is blaming "frozen" imports to play games with international trading partners. I also think not. China needs the food.
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sharon sanders commented
Yesterday, 07:49 PM
I want to clarify that I do not know if SARS-CoV-2 can survive frozen on packaging with enough strength to infect people. The numerous China outbreaks of SARS-CoV-2 cited as originating from frozen packaging on imported goods is not generally accepted. It is, however, very interesting. I am following these instances because I think it is a sign of something - I am just not sure of what....
Also, blaming "frozen" for most all of the newer COVID-19 coronavirus cases speaks to the China government's knowledge of exactly how long a SARS-CoV-2 virus particle can last when frozen. And how much frozen virus it takes to infect a human either from touch or breathing the air around a frozen package, and, and, and...all of this knowledge coming from previous experiences from freezing this virus. This reliance on "frozen" actually supports the theory that a lab escape from a China lab in Wuhan is responsible for the pandemic.
No other country in the world has claimed that frozen packaging has caused a human COVID-19 case - maybe because they don't know it can.
Please see:
China - Ministry of Transport implements guidelines for handling refrigerated and frozen shipments - November 27, 2020
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Ce serait bien pour les Chinois de nous rendre accessible le dossier rat des bambous dans tous ses d?tails. Cette producttion subventionn?e a ?t?, avec subvention, stopp?e , mais on sait quoi de ce qui se trouvait dans ces ?levages ?
Les virus trouv?s ont ?t? signal? ? L'O.I.E, par exemple ?
Je dis cela , car on se demande parfois ce que veut dire le mot v?t?rinaire en Chine ?
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Source: https://www.daijiworld.com/news/news...?newsID=776745
Experts debunk Chinese scientists' Covid virus India origin claim
Mon, Nov 30 2020 05:36:11 PM
New Delhi, Nov 30 (IANS): Health experts in India have refuted a claim made by Chinese scientists in a preprint paper that suggests that the Indian subcontinent might be the place where the earliest human-to-human SARS-CoV-2 transmission occurred.
The claim contradicts reports that have said that the virus originated in Wuhan in China's Hubei province late last year.
"This is a speculative theory without scientific basis," Jyoti Mutta, Senior Consultant, Microbiology, Sri Balaji Action Medical Institute in New Delhi, told IANS.
"Any outbreak investigations need to start from where the first case emerged," she said.
However, the new paper by scientists in China argues that the Covid-19 outbreak might have occurred in India, "which was three or four months prior to the Wuhan outbreak".
"Furthermore, based on the SARS-CoV-2's mutation rate, we estimate that the earliest SARS-CoV-2 transmission in human hosts could be traced back to July or August of 2019," the scientists wrote in the paper.
The new theory sprouts at a time when when the World Health Organization announced the start of the long-awaited investigation into the source of the virus responsible for Covid-19...
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Je crois me souvenir qu'il avait ?t? ?mis l'hypoth?se , vu la survie du virus au frois que ces emballages pourraient permettre de dater le d?but et la provenance .
Qu'il fasse du travail c'est vrai , mais c'est ?trange il ne parle que des produits des autres ...
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I want to clarify that I do not know if SARS-CoV-2 can survive frozen on packaging with enough strength to infect people. The numerous China outbreaks of SARS-CoV-2 cited as originating from frozen packaging on imported goods is not generally accepted. It is, however, very interesting. I am following these instances because I think it is a sign of something - I am just not sure of what....
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