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  • Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Wuhan-lab.html

    New cover-up fears as Chinese officials delete critical data about the Wuhan lab with details of 300 studies vanishing - including all those carried out by virologist dubbed Batwoman

    Chinese government facing fresh accusations of cover-up after data is deleted
    Deletion of evidence reignited fears China is trying to whitewash investigation
    China has been accused before of suppressing vital evidence about virus origins

    By Jonathan Bucks For The Mail On Sunday
    Published: 17:06 EST, 9 January 2021 | Updated: 17:07 EST, 9 January 2021

    The Chinese government is facing fresh accusations of a cover-up after officials deleted crucial online data about the laboratory suspected of being the source of Covid-19.

    The Mail on Sunday can reveal that hundreds of pages of information relating to studies carried out by the top-secret Wuhan Institute of Virology have been wiped.

    Details of more than 300 studies, including many investigating diseases that pass from animals to humans, published online by the state-run National Natural Science Foundation of China (NSFC) are no longer available....

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    • bertrand789
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      je ne sais si cela est pour ce forum , mais il est ?voqu? un bon produit chinois :
      xhttps://m.bjnews.com.cn/detail/161019815715905.html

      un regard ext?rieur me semble souhaitable ...
      Last edited by Emily; January 10, 2021, 02:35 PM. Reason: Removed link to site - will not let me connect with VPN to read it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beijing_News

    • bertrand789
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      https://vnreview.vn/headlines-detail...tai-trung-quoc

      https://baomy247.com/doi-song/be-tra...c-01-2021.html
      https://m.bjnews.com.cn/detail/161019815715905.html

      Appliquer une cr?me antibact?rienne pour devenir une ?poup?e ? grosse t?te?? Suspicion hormonale concernant l'explosion des magasins maternels et infantiles
      Le journaliste de Beijing News Wang Ruiwen et le r?dacteur en chef Gan Hao
      2021-01-09 21:48
      entrer

    • Emily
      Emily commented
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      Thank you, Bertrand. I can get to those articles. I'll copy them to a thread on the China forum, too. Poor child!

  • Reversal - or just wiped and ready now?

    https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/be...11/id/1005161/
    Reversing Course, China Now Says WHO COVID Investigators Can Enter Country Thursday

    By Solange Reyner | Monday, 11 January 2021 06:26 PM
    China, in a reversal Monday, said scientists with the World Health Organization investigating the origins of the novel coronavirus can enter the country this Thursday.

    Beijing initially banned the experts from entering the country, sparking accusations of a cover-up.

    "China stands ready to closely cooperate with WHO and international experts. With specific details of itinerary, I refer to you to competent authority,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said during a press briefing.

    "The origin tracing may involve more countries. The WHO needs to conduct similar studies in other countries and regions," he added...
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    Ask Congress to Investigate COVID Origins and Government Response to Pandemic H.R. 834

    i love myself. the quietest. simplest. most powerful. revolution ever. ---- nayyirah waheed
    Governments don't have or own souls.

    (My posts are not intended as advice or professional assessments of any kind.)
    Never forget Excalibur.

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      • Fact Sheet: Activity at the Wuhan Institute of Virology


        FACT SHEET

        OFFICE OF THE SPOKESPERSON

        JANUARY 15, 2021

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        For more than a year, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has systematically prevented a transparent and thorough investigation of the COVID-19 pandemic’s origin, choosing instead to devote enormous resources to deceit and disinformation. Nearly two million people have died. Their families deserve to know the truth. Only through transparency can we learn what caused this pandemic and how to prevent the next one.

        The U.S. government does not know exactly where, when, or how the COVID-19 virus—known as SARS-CoV-2—was transmitted initially to humans. We have not determined whether the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan, China.

        The virus could have emerged naturally from human contact with infected animals, spreading in a pattern consistent with a natural epidemic. Alternatively, a laboratory accident could resemble a natural outbreak if the initial exposure included only a few individuals and was compounded by asymptomatic infection. Scientists in China have researched animal-derived coronaviruses under conditions that increased the risk for accidental and potentially unwitting exposure.

        The CCP’s deadly obsession with secrecy and control comes at the expense of public health in China and around the world. The previously undisclosed information in this fact sheet, combined with open-source reporting, highlights three elements about COVID-19’s origin that deserve greater scrutiny:

        1. Illnesses inside the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV):
        • The U.S. government has reason to believe that several researchers inside the WIV became sick in autumn 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak, with symptoms consistent with both COVID-19 and common seasonal illnesses. This raises questions about the credibility of WIV senior researcher Shi Zhengli’s public claim that there was “zero infection” among the WIV’s staff and students of SARS-CoV-2 or SARS-related viruses.
        • Accidental infections in labs have caused several previous virus outbreaks in China and elsewhere, including a 2004 SARS outbreak in Beijing that infected nine people, killing one.
        • The CCP has prevented independent journalists, investigators, and global health authorities from interviewing researchers at the WIV, including those who were ill in the fall of 2019. Any credible inquiry into the origin of the virus must include interviews with these researchers and a full accounting of their previously unreported illness.

        2. Research at the WIV:
        • Starting in at least 2016 – and with no indication of a stop prior to the COVID-19 outbreak – WIV researchers conducted experiments involving RaTG13, the bat coronavirus identified by the WIV in January 2020 as its closest sample to SARS-CoV-2 (96.2% similar). The WIV became a focal point for international coronavirus research after the 2003 SARS outbreak and has since studied animals including mice, bats, and pangolins.
        • The WIV has a published record of conducting “gain-of-function” research to engineer chimeric viruses. But the WIV has not been transparent or consistent about its record of studying viruses most similar to the COVID-19 virus, including “RaTG13,” which it sampled from a cave in Yunnan Province in 2013 after several miners died of SARS-like illness.
        • WHO investigators must have access to the records of the WIV’s work on bat and other coronaviruses before the COVID-19 outbreak. As part of a thorough inquiry, they must have a full accounting of why the WIV altered and then removed online records of its work with RaTG13 and other viruses.

        3. Secret military activity at the WIV:
        • Secrecy and non-disclosure are standard practice for Beijing. For many years the United States has publicly raised concerns about China’s past biological weapons work, which Beijing has neither documented nor demonstrably eliminated, despite its clear obligations under the Biological Weapons Convention.
        • Despite the WIV presenting itself as a civilian institution, the United States has determined that the WIV has collaborated on publications and secret projects with China’s military. The WIV has engaged in classified research, including laboratory animal experiments, on behalf of the Chinese military since at least 2017.
        • The United States and other donors who funded or collaborated on civilian research at the WIV have a right and obligation to determine whether any of our research funding was diverted to secret Chinese military projects at the WIV.

        Today’s revelations just scratch the surface of what is still hidden about COVID-19’s origin in China. Any credible investigation into the origin of COVID-19 demands complete, transparent access to the research labs in Wuhan, including their facilities, samples, personnel, and records.

        As the world continues to battle this pandemic – and as WHO investigators begin their work, after more than a year of delays – the virus’s origin remains uncertain. The United States will continue to do everything it can to support a credible and thorough investigation, including by continuing to demand transparency on the part of Chinese authorities.


        https://www.state.gov/fact-sheet-act...e-of-virology/
        "Safety and security don't just happen, they are the result of collective consensus and public investment. We owe our children, the most vulnerable citizens in our society, a life free of violence and fear."
        -Nelson Mandela

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        • https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/cov...6ZQG2WLHDDTNA/
          Covid 19 coronavirus: Wuhan virus lab scientist thought to be 'patient zero' still missing


          18 Jan, 2021 10:46 AM
          The fate of a Chinese researcher believed to be the world's first Covid-19 patient remains a mystery despite a year-long search by Western intelligence officials investigating the origins of the pandemic.

          Huang Yanling, who worked at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, was one of scores of doctors, scientists, activists and journalists who disappeared during the Chinese Communist Party's suspected cover-up...
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          Ask Congress to Investigate COVID Origins and Government Response to Pandemic H.R. 834

          i love myself. the quietest. simplest. most powerful. revolution ever. ---- nayyirah waheed
          Governments don't have or own souls.

          (My posts are not intended as advice or professional assessments of any kind.)
          Never forget Excalibur.

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          • @Emilie, le concept de ONE HEALTH a d'abord pour objet d'astreindre les v?t?rinaires aux m?mes codes de guerre. Dans mon cas, cela s'est produit apr?s la guerre d'Alg?rie , ou l'impensable a ?t? fait en usant et abusant des animaux...

            C'est pour cela que j'avais sugg?r? que l'envie de le mettre en oeuvre doit venir du peuple chinois. On en peut imposer ? la cela ? une si grande nation, cela doit venir d'elle .

            Maintenant , dans le cas d'une zoonose , il faut un double commandement . Celui de l'O.M.S est obsol?te . Il est obsol?te , car d?j? , il ne pronne pas la bonne qualit? de l'intendance :
            https://france3-regions.francetvinfo...d-1908356.html

            - ne pas avoir recommand? respect vitamine D et zinc est une faute morale
            - ne pas permettre l'expertise v?t?rinaire avant l'expertise humaine en est une autre

            Je ne parle pas de politique , mais de trouble ou faute de management ...

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              • If Moderna knew the virus was spreading in animals, then other vaccine companies and research groups must have known, too.

                https://www.fox13memphis.com/rss-snd...KVYTZJZYIUXE4/
                Doctor behind Moderna vaccine speaks to Memphians to dispel vaccine rumors

                WATCH: A doctor behind the creation of the Moderna vaccine tells how it works, dispels rumors
                By: FOX13Memphis.com News Staff
                Updated: January 31, 2021 - 7:50 PM
                ...
                Dr. Corbett said that this vaccine has actually been in development for several years, as COVID-19 has been spreading amongst animals for some time. So, the vaccine wasn’t rushed out overnight.



                https://www.wfmz.com/news/pr_newswir...9c8e3c502.html
                New Study By Dr. Steven Quay Concludes that SARS-CoV-2 Came from a Laboratory
                • By Dr. Steven Quay, Atossa Therapeutics, Inc.
                • Jan 29, 2021Updated 6 min ago
                SEATTLE, Jan. 29, 2021 /PRNewswire/ -- A paper was published today by Dr. Steven Quay, M.D., PhD., CEO of Atossa Therapeutics, Inc. (NASDAQ: ATOS), entitled, "A Bayesian analysis concludes beyond a reasonable doubt that SARS-CoV-2 is not a natural zoonosis but instead is laboratory derived." The 193-page paper can be downloaded from Zenodo, a general-purpose open-access repository operated by CERN, here: https://zenodo.org/record/4477081# . A short 'explainer' video about the paper is here: https://zenodo.org/record/4477212#.
                ...
                The additional evidence of what appears to be adenovirus vaccine genetic sequences in specimens from five patients from December 2019 and sequenced by the Wuhan Institute of Virology requires an explanation. You would see this kind of data in a vaccine challenge trial, for example. Hopefully the WHO team can get answers to these questions."...
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                Ask Congress to Investigate COVID Origins and Government Response to Pandemic H.R. 834

                i love myself. the quietest. simplest. most powerful. revolution ever. ---- nayyirah waheed
                Governments don't have or own souls.

                (My posts are not intended as advice or professional assessments of any kind.)
                Never forget Excalibur.

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                • Emily
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                  I think you must be correct about that quote, JJackson. It would be such an astounding revelation if accurate, that I investigated and found Pastor Moore's interview of Dr. Corbett, (both are women), for the Church at the Well in Memphis. I think she talks about coronaviruses in animals in general and the mRNA technology as used in this vaccine.
                  https://www.facebook.com/wemakewells...5404208905695/

                  Regarding the adenovirus vector, this article says only one human vaccine with that technology is approved, (or was before SARS2 emerged.) https://www.news-medical.net/health/...-Vaccines.aspx
                  There are certainly a lot of trials, though.

                • JJackson
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                  Emily Ad based vaccines are not new, the opening paragraph of your link is posted below.

                  "Adenoviruses are considered as excellent vectors for delivering target antigens to mammalian hosts because of their capability to induce both innate and adaptive immune system. Currently, adenovirus-based vaccines are used against a wide variety of pathogens, including Mycobacterium tuberculosis, human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), and Plasmodium falciparum."

                  The other point to remember this is in China and I have no idea what vaccines are approved by their regulatory authority. They have a massive domestic vaccine industry so what is being used may be quite different to those approved else where.

                • Emily
                  Emily commented
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                  I wonder about what vaccines are in use or even research stage in China, too. That would include veterinary vaccines. I think the WHO team is visiting the animal health research center in Wuhan. I don't expect a lot of transparency for them, though.
                  You are right that Ad vector vaccines are not new, but the summary lead for the article I linked to seems to convey something other than what the article said. There might be an approved TB vaccine, but that is it as far as approved human vaccines in spite of the technology being 30 years old. I found a good article about the Ad vector vaccine's "checkered past" and posted that as a separate thread. I remember researchers in Seattle were involved in the HIV vaccine that made men more susceptible to infection rather than less or even the same risk. It was crushing. There is still no viable HIV vaccine, just treatments.

              • Expected result....

                So over 2 million human deaths without any animal intermediary identified. After a year the best scientists in the world can not identify and prove an animal host. This does not make any sense.

                I assume we are the host.



                WHO says Covid ‘most likely’ originated in animals and spread to humans, dismisses lab leak theory


                PUBLISHED TUE, FEB 9 20216:19 AM ESTUPDATED TUE, FEB 9 20217:51 AM EST


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                He added it was not yet possible to pinpoint the animal intermediary host for the coronavirus, describing the findings after nearly a month of meetings and site visits as “work in progress.”

                “In terms of understanding what happened in the early days of December 2019, did we change dramatically the picture we had beforehand? I don’t think so,” Ben Embarek said.

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                “The laboratory incident hypothesis is extremely unlikely to explain the introduction of the virus into the human population,” Ben Embarek said. “Therefore, [it] is not in the hypotheses that we will suggest for future studies.”

                The team had reached the conclusion that a lab leak should be regarded as extremely unlikely “on the basis of a serious discussion and very diligent research,” added Liang Wannian, head of the expert Covid panel at China’s National Health Commission.


                https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/09/who-...-pandemic.html

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                • Good thing they are back on the payroll to keep us informed and tell us the truth
                  CSI:WORLD http://swineflumagazine.blogspot.com/

                  treyfish2004@yahoo.com

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                  • recherche chez l'animal en Chine c'est pour rire.

                    " Ainsi, d'apr?s Xiong Fuqiang, chef adjoint du Parti de l'Ecole de m?decine v?t?rinaire de l'Universit? agricole de Nanjing, jusqu'? 10 000 ?tudiants sortent dipl?m?s dans cette sp?cialit? chaque ann?e en Chine, mais il manque encore plus d'1 million de v?t?rinaires."

                    http://french.peopledaily.com.cn/Eco...5-9262223.html

                    Donc, comme ils avouent qu'il leur en manque plus d'un million, on leur envoie un prof de philosophie.

                    La profession de v?t?rinaire en Chine c'est pour faire les papiers dans un bureau ?

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                    • Originally posted by Treyfish View Post
                      Good thing they are back on the payroll to keep us informed and tell us the truth
                      The W.H.O. delegation that traveled to China is telling the truth from this trip. There is nothing to find there after a lapse of a year in time.

                      I know for a fact that there was clean up effort to scrub the titles of early papers on the internet because we received at least two requests. So, I can only guess the degree of "fixing" that went on.

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                      • On est d'accord, sur certains points, par exemple , depuis un an et apr?s un vide par contrainte , les ?gouts du march? humide , jamais nettoy? depuis leur cr?ation sont surement mieux ...

                        L'hygi?ne en Chine , cela d?pend, des lieux, du contexte et du moment .


                        Pour ?tre aimable, ce march? dispose d'une station d'?puration ou c'est comme avant ?

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                        • An open debate on SARS-CoV-2’s proximal origin is long overdue: https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2102/2102.03910.pdf

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                          • bertrand789
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                            il s'est dit bien plus de choses en ce lieu .

                            le silence sur les ?levages subventionn?s puis stopp?s avec subventions pour cause de covid est ou ?

                        • La proc?dure ayant conduit ? la mise en prison d'un chercheur pour la vente pour un million de dollars de produits et animaux de laboratoire va ?tre examin?e et produite d'une part, le lieu de ces exploits va ?tre examin? ?

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