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    http://agfax.com/2015/04/10/turkey-f...flu-spreading/
    April 10, 2015
    Turkey Farming: H5N2 Bird Flu Spreading
    By Chris Clayton, DTN Ag Policy Editor
    Studies by USDA?s Agricultural Research Service have shown turkeys are far more susceptible to the influenza than chickens. Thus, large turkey production areas are becoming hotbeds for the virus.
    ...
    Most of the birds were indoors, but heating or ventilation and airflow all could have led to the spread of the influenza. Water fowl may not get in, but feces from wild birds could. Producers are taking increased biosecurity measures to avoid limiting exposure.
    Chickens would have the same risk factors, so why are turkeys so vulnerable? Obesity was a risk factor for pH1N1 in humans, so did selective breeding for heavy breasts make turkeys more susceptible?

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/201...nts-of-our-big
    Can Breeders Cure What Ails Our Breast-Heavy Turkeys?
    November 27, 2014 7:03 AM ET

    But turkeys are muscle-heavy, not fat-heavy, (and chickens have been bred to be abnormally muscular in the breast, too.) Could a muscle growth-promoting drug that is FDA approved for use in turkeys but not in chickens be the risk factor?

    http://foodbabe.com/2014/11/06/this-...holiday-feast/
    This Drug Has Sickened Thousands of Animals ? Will It Be At Your Holiday Feast?
    Topmax package insert / prescribing information for healthcare professionals. Includes: indications, dosage, adverse reactions and pharmacology.

    Topmax? 9
    ELANCO* AF0621

    For Use in the Manufacture of Medicated Turkey Feed.Topmax? 9 Ractopamine Hydrochloride
    Pharmacologically, Ractopamine is a beta-adrenergic agonist, or 'β-blocker.' [ETA: See next post - not a beta-blocker.]


    Biological Sciences - Immunology:
    Kristie M. Grebe, Heather D. Hickman, Kari R. Irvine, Kazuyo Takeda, Jack R. Bennink, and Jonathan W. Yewdell

    Sympathetic nervous system control of anti-influenza CD8+ T cell responses
    PNAS 2009 106 (13) 5300-5305; published ahead of print March 13, 2009, doi:10.1073/pnas.0808851106

    Abstract

    Despite the longstanding appreciation of communication between the nervous and the immune systems, the nature and significance of these interactions to immunity remain enigmatic. Here, we show that 6-hydroxydopamine-mediated ablation of the mouse peripheral sympathetic nervous system increases primary CD8+ T cell responses to viral and cellular antigens presented by direct priming or cross-priming. The sympathetic nervous system also suppresses antiviral CD4+ T cell responses, but this is not required for suppressing CD8+ T cell responses. Adoptive transfer experiments indicate that enhanced CD8+ responses do not result from permanent alterations in CD8+ T cell function in sympathectomized mice. Rather, additional findings suggest that the sympathetic nervous system tempers the capacity of antigen-presenting cells to activate na?ve CD8+ T cells. We also show that antiviral CD8+ T cell responses are enhanced by administration of a β2 (but not β1 or α) adrenergic antagonist. These findings demonstrate a critical role for the sympathetic nervous system in limiting CD8+ T cell responses and indicate that CD8+ T cell responses may be altered in patients using β-blockers, one of the most widely prescribed classes of drugs.
    Maybe this latest rendition of a deadly avian flu is actually an animal husbandry issue.
    Last edited by Emily; April 23, 2015, 12:49 PM. Reason: Title changed
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    I think I have this wrong at least as far as mammals go:
    Pharmacologically, Ractopamine is a beta-adrenergic agonist, or 'β-blocker.'
    Beta-adrenergic agonists are probably the opposite of beta-blockers in mammals, but it could be different in turkeys:

    The kinetic and pharmacological properties of β-adrenergic receptors in turkey erythrocyte membranes have been characterized by measuring adenylate cyclase activity and specific binding of 125I-iodohythoxybenzylpindolol (IHYP). Receptor properties have been compared to those of β1, and β2 receptors in a number of mammalian tissues. The affinity ( KD ) of IHYP for the turkey erythrocyte β-adrenergic receptor (42 pM) was similar to the KD for IHYP binding to either β1 or β2 receptors. However, the rates of both association ( k 1) and dissociation ( k -1) of IHYP were 6-10 times faster when measured with β-adrenergic receptors on turkey erythrocytes than were observed for either β1 or β2 receptors in various mammalian tissues. Thermodynamic analysis of the k 1 for IHYP binding in the turkey erythrocyte and rat heart showed similar enthalpies of activation (Δ H ‡), suggesting that the different k 1 values arise mainly from different entropies of activation (Δ H ‡) in the two tissues. The order of potency of drugs for activation or inhibition of adenylate cyclase activity correlated well with that for inhibition of IHYP binding in the turkey erythrocyte. However, both the Ki and K act values for adenylate cyclase were generally two to three times higher than the corresponding KD value determined from studies of the inhibition of IHYP binding. The pharmacological effects of a variety of drugs with similar or different affinities for β1- and β2-adrenergic receptors were determined on membranes prepared from turkey erythrocytes. The KD values for nonselective drugs in the turkey erythrocyte were identical to their KD values for β1, and β2 receptors, suggesting that this receptor should be classified as a β-adrenergic receptor. However, the KD values in the turkey erythrocyte for selective drugs did not correlate with the KD values for these drugs at either β1 or β2 receptors. Furthermore, the efficacies of partial agonists at turkey erythrocyte β-adrenergic receptors did not correlate with their efficacies for either β1 or β2 receptors. The results demonstrate that the β-adrenergic receptor in the turkey erythrocyte has kinetic and pharmacological properties distinct from either mammalian β1 or β2 receptors. ACKNOWLEDGMENTS We thank Beth Goens for excellent technical assistance and Candace Plesha for preparing the manuscript.

    A Comparison of the Beta-Adrenergic Receptor of the Turkey Erythrocyte with Mammalian Beta1 and Beta2 Receptors
    So Ractopamine could still be an issue for flu in turkeys. But if not, it could still be an issue as far as secondary bacterial infections:

    http://respiratory-research.com/content/7/1/57 Inhalation of β2 agonists impairs the clearance of nontypable Haemophilus influenzae from the murine respiratory tract

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      Here's another potential risk factor that could explain why farmed turkeys are so susceptible to influenza:

      Modern Turkey Industry
      The modern turkey industry has developed a hybrid white turkey that is larger and faster growing than purebred or wild turkeys. The modern hybrid turkeys are so large they can no longer naturally breed efficiently. All modern turkeys are artificial insemination...


      In the Turkey Breeding Factory

      By Frank Observer A friend heard an advertisement on the local radio about the Butterball Turkey Company needing workers in artificial insemination, called "AI" for short. So I went to the personnel office across the street from the turkey killing plant in this small midwestern town. Latinos, Asians and poor whites filled the waiting room. Everybody wore rubber boots and big, puffy white hairnets--both men and women.
      "Bob," the AI boss, explained that the modern turkey business is about the "most high-technical" of all the animal operations. "The turkey is a creation of modern science and industry," he said. "It's been out of the wild only about 1OO years, the last animal to be domesticated. Because of that wildness, it tends to go 'broody,' which means it lays a few eggs once a year and quits. We have to trick it into laying all the time."
      Bob told me that the company's birds are much bigger and more clumsy than the original turkey--so much so that they can't breed by themselves anymore. So the company has to use AI to produce the fertile eggs that hatch the chicks that then go into "grow-out" houses and grow up to be slaughtered and processed....

      Ali, A., H. Yassine, O. A. Olusegun, M. Ibrahim, Y. M. Saif, and C. W. Lee. Replication of swine and human influenza viruses in juvenile and layer turkey hens. Vet. Microbiol. 163:71?78. 2013
      ...
      Our results also indicate a potential risk of venereal transmission of influenza viruses in turkeys.

      And it gets worse:

      Avian Diseases 59(1):171-174. 2015
      doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.1637/10889-062314-CaseRep
      Mature Turkey Breeder Hens Exposed to Pandemic Influenza H1N1: Resultant Effects on Morbidity, Mortality, and Fecundity
      Robert EvansAD, Yugendar BommineniB, Jonathan FalkC, Adam BlackwayA, Brent YoungA, and Connie IsenhartA
      ...
      During the artificial insemination process, turkey breeder hens may become infected with influenza virus acquired from humans.
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