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  • #16
    Re: Girl died from hemorrhagic pneumonia

    MinutoUno (www.minutouno.com) now has an entire section devoted to this incident:



    Apparently, the family was extremely famous even before this unforunate incident.

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    • #17
      Re: Girl died from hemorrhagic pneumonia

      Originally posted by Tonka View Post
      http://www.clarin.com/sociedad/neumo...771522889.html
      Spanish-English translation
      Transcended information speaks of bacteria have attacked the body of the baby. However, Teper explained that this type of pneumonias are generally caused by a viral agent. Videla coincides in this statement and details that in the few cases where the frame may have a bacterial origin, one of the bacteria that causes it is dengue. "And in general, bacterial pneumonias have no resolutions such as this case, but end up responding to an antibiotic," said Teper.
      This statement is not true. Dengue is a virus. And dengue doesn't cause atypical pneumonia.

      Several readers of this article have made this point in the comments on the article.

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      • #18
        Re: Girl died from hemorrhagic pneumonia

        Sounds like a cytokine storm-like phenomenon. With all the pH1N1 fatalities in Argentina in the summer of 2009 that manifested similar symptoms, I'm surprised they haven't tested the lung tissue for influenza.
        "I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much." - Mother Teresa of Calcutta

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        • #19
          Re: Girl died from hemorrhagic pneumonia

          http://www.eltribuno.info/Salta/2004...lena.note.aspx

          Heparin use is being questioned by the family, so possibly the 'hemorrhagic' aspect is not 100% due to the disease process.

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          • #20
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            Originally posted by Emily View Post
            http://www.eltribuno.info/Salta/2004...lena.note.aspx

            Heparin use is being questioned by the family, so possibly the 'hemorrhagic' aspect is not 100% due to the disease process.

            http://translate.google.com/translat...lena.note.aspx
            Nice find. I suspected that since they had tested for yellow fever, they were probably seeing hemorrhages in more than just the lungs. Heparin would explain that. The article also suggest that the bacteria found in the girl's bloodstream were hospital-acquired, possibly as a result of ECMO, and not the original cause of her illness.

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            • #21
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              Originally posted by alert View Post
              Nice find. I suspected that since they had tested for yellow fever, they were probably seeing hemorrhages in more than just the lungs. Heparin would explain that. The article also suggest that the bacteria found in the girl's bloodstream were hospital-acquired, possibly as a result of ECMO, and not the original cause of her illness.
              Good observation about the yellow fever testing. That does support a heparin-like bleeding problem. I hope we don't have bad heparin in circulation again. Something unusual happened, and it can even with the best of care. I was wondering about the swollen glands mentioned as part of the initial symptoms. When I searched for 'swollen glands', 'fever', and 'pediatric', I came up with an article about the rheumatic fever resurgence:
              (Dates back to 2000, though.)
              http://www.uihealthcare.com/topics/m...ver/index.html

              But that follows strep throat and a sore or reddened throat isn't mentioned in this case. I still wonder about this being the flu and found this:


              American Journal of the Medical Sciences:
              April 2007 - Volume 333 - Issue 4 - pp 215-217
              doi: 10.1097/MAJ.0b013e31803b92c4
              Case Reports
              Influenza Parotitis: A Case from the 2004 to 2005 Vaccine Shortage
              Battle, Steven DO, MPH; Laudenbach, Joel DMD; Maguire, James H. MD


              We report a case of acute parotitis due to influenza A in which, unlike other published cases, the diagnosis was confirmed by demonstration of subtyped influenza A, serological evidence of mumps immunity, and full recovery without antibiotic treatment. In the United States, acute infectious parotitis was historically caused primarily by symptomatic paramyxovirus (mumps) infections, but because of the near-universal administration of the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine, other infectious and noninfectious etiologies now predominate. We discuss the differential diagnosis and therapeutic and public health considerations of parotitis and influenza. Due to time-sensitive pharmacologic management and possibly far-reaching public health issues, providers should be aware of atypical influenza presentations, such as parotitis.
              So it sounds like there can be rare presentations of flu with swollen glands.
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              • #22
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                Spanish-English translation

                What happened to White?; Spoke a doctor of Chile
                The magazine PEOPLE quotes a clinical professional who closely followed the case.
                Wednesday September 12, 2012 | 10:09 Read this note on your phone


                The causes of death of White Vicu?a is not yet officially known, the data were filtered know through various sources and known. Mirtha Legrand was the only one who dared to comment that the girl had "two bacteria" and that doctors "They were looking the antibiotic." Pampita and Benjamin chose silence and focused his energy on his daughter.
                But the magazine PEOPLE in this week's edition, included testimony from a doctor in Los Condes Clinic who closely followed the case. Although professional chose not to reveal his name, his word is perhaps the most 'official' so far.
                "White admitted with a virus and bacteria lodged in the last part of the lung that is, in the alveolar-, which produced pneumonia. Typically, was that within five days he was out, but unfortunately were very aggressive and started to advance. You spread throughout the lung, the girl could not breathe and was connected to a respirator, "said the doctor.
                "Then the germs passed from lung to blood and began to invade all tissues. Occurred in kidney damage and so had to have dialysis. In parallel, the machine connected to an extracorporeal membrane oxygenation, which makes the blood flow through an artificial lung oxigen?ndola and bringing back into the bloodstream. This allowed both the lungs and the heart rest, "he continued.
                The end: "On Friday at half past seven p.m. she suffered an injury in the brain. was operated for more than six hours and then they left the pavilion had septic shock and multisystem failure ended his life " .
                As they grieve, Pampita and Benjamin remain in Chile with his two sons, and Bautista Beltran. There are no plans to return to Buenos Aires.
                Read more: Basic, Show, chili, White death Vicu?a, White died Vicu?a, Benjam?n Vicu?a, White Vicu?a, Carolina Ardohain, Pampita

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                • #23
                  Re: Girl died from hemorrhagic pneumonia

                  Lo confirmó el representante del actor. La hija de la pareja falleció el sábado en un sanatorio chileno.

                  Spanish-English translation


                  Pampita and her husband did not sue the clinic
                  The actor's representative confirmed. The couple's daughter died Saturday in a Chilean hospital.

                  12/09/12 - 09:55
                  Benjam?n Vicu?a and Ardohain Pampita his wife will not initiate legal action against the clinic where his daughter died Chilean Blanca. This was confirmed in an email the actor's representative, Jorge Hernandez. Hernandez took care to point out that this information "is not a statement, but a clarification to avoid publications distant to reality." And he denied the rumors about a possible lawsuit Ardohain Vicu?a family to Los Condes Clinic, where she stayed for White. "I deny categorically that there is an intention to enter into any kind of action. Any such information is unfounded," he said, and asked "please keep Benjam?n Vicu?a requested privacy in recent days."
                  My little girl of 6 years, the couple's oldest daughter, died Saturday at noon at the Clinica Las Condes, Santiago, Chile, nine days after being hospitalized in intensive care. He had joined on Thursday 30 with an apparent cold and chest pain that worsened quickly giving way to pneumonia. Due to the critical state presented along the hours, the doctors decided to induce a coma and connected to a breathing machine called ECMO. On Friday afternoon she suffered a stroke from which he was operated on urgently but could not recover. The family and doctors remained ever since a severe secrecy about what it was that caused the illness, although the versions attribute this to two bacteria that have infected over the last family vacation in Cancun.

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                  • #24
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                    Blanca's case is slightly frequent in paediatrics '

                    Before the increase of consultations in the hospitals, after the death of Blanca Vicuña, the boss of the Respiratory Center of the Children's Hospital Ricardo Gutierrez, Alejandro Teper, spoke in the program ' Hello Toy ' on the case, to clarify the doubts and to transmit calmness to the parents .'Lo who is important to mention that Blanca's case is a slightly frequent case in paediatrics and we do not know the causes yet, but one listens to pneumonia and it is scared ', said the specialist. Teper understands the worry of the parents after the case and understands that if this had happened in the winter, the increase of consultations, there was casusado a ' overflowing in the system of health ' .'Para that a boy has pneumonia has to present decay and high fever, which does not descend in spite of the remedies, 38 grades. He is going to breathe more rapid with a groan, they are symptoms that they do to the pneumonia and the cases that one normally sees they answer to antibiotics and do not leave consequence ', told the doctor.

                    The most important thing, before a boy with fever, is to do a pursuit to see his evolution, mentions the specialist: ' When one sees a boy with fever, it gives his his recommendations to the parents, to see how it continues. If the fever does not go down, it is a sign of alarm that deserves to re-consult the doctor '.Con vaccines, it is possible to prepare the pneumonia in a high percentage: ' The most frequent germ of the pneumonia today is the neumococo, that today there are vaccines, in fact it is obligatory and it is delivered in free form in the hospitals, although it does not cover all the vine-stocks of the neumococo, if it covers the strongest '.El specialist also referred to the Chilean medicine and said that it was ' of excellence ' and that ' it is habitual that happens that thing about that they send the patient in the house, although it is difficult that I speak about something that I did not see. But a picture of flu usually begins this way '. With regard to the silence on the part of the clinic, according to Teper, it might owe which they are taking studies to determine what was what it spent and not to have to give information on which later they have to go back and he adds: ' I meet the people of The Counts, they are all very serious professionals '.

                    For his{your} part, the doctor does not believe that Blanca's case is a pneumococo: ' If it it was it would be very aggressive one, who does not answer to the amoxicillin, but yes there are antibiotics. Actually one speaks about a pneumonia of type hemorrágica, his his that the neumococo does not cause '.Respecto to the treatment realized with the ecmo, Teper it does not question: ' So that a boy comes to a situation of ecno, it is a question of a situation of high dead toll, we are already in a very serious situation, these skills can bear complications, it would be necessary to hope well for the medical final report '.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Girl died from hemorrhagic pneumonia

                      Tras el último adiós a su hija mayor, la pareja se refugió en su casa. Permanecerán en el país trasandino para averiguar las causas de la enfermedad que sufrió la pequeña.

                      Spanish-English translation

                      How's life in Chile Pampita and Benjamin?

                      After the last goodbye to her eldest daughter, the couple took refuge in his house. Remain in the neighboring country to find out the causes of the disease suffered by the small.

                      Pampita and Vicu?a in the wake of her daughter
                      The pain is immense and uncontrollable, but both Pampita Ardohain as Benjam?n Vicu?a know they must replenish their sons, Baptist 4 years and Beltran for just three months. After burying the remains of the small White 6 years, who died on Saturday due to a hemorrhagic pneumonia, the couple fled to his home in a private neighborhood located in the Chilean capital, where transiting their grief and investigate what was happened.
                      As reported by Michael Roldan, journalist of "Intruders" in Chile, Vicu?a Ardohain family will stay in the neighboring country in order to learn well about the causes of the disease contracted by his daughter and what caused her death.
                      Without a clear diagnosis, White Vicu?a 6 years, fought for nine days against two bacteria that invaded his body and apparently, the holidays have contracted in the Riviera Maya, Mexico.
                      The diagnosis was that transcended hemorrhagic pneumonia , which caused him multisystem failure and triggered a stroke which could not recover. But these bacteria were never identified, so that their parents would initiate the investigation.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Girl died from hemorrhagic pneumonia

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                        18/09/2012 | EMAIL | PRINT

                        PNEUMONIA: EARLY DIAGNOSIS IS KEY TO PREVENTING DEATHS
                        Disease has been debated after the death of White Vicu?a, which was affected by hemorrhagic pneumonia. Pathology is lethal depending on the patient's age, your immune system, epidemiological and environmental factors. Javier Cerda, bronchopulmonary Clinic specialist Vespucci, says that when evil is severe can cause pulmonary infarction with tissue destruction.
                        Tuesday September 18, 2012 | by Patricia G. Sch?ller

                        A hemorrhagic pneumonia that failed to reverse caused the death of White Vicu?a , the eldest daughter of actor Benjam?n Vicu?a and model Carolina Ardohain.
                        Although specialists Clinica Las Condes not specify the underlying disease suffered by the girl, a doctor treating the patient reported to Argentina magazine People that the child entered with " a virus and bacteria lodged in the last part of the lung , is ie, the socket ".
                        Experts emphasize that the severity of pneumonia is given by the age of patients , whether they belong to risk segments and if evil is diagnosed late. Patients most vulnerable to a complex picture are infants under 1 year , the adults over 65 , the pregnant and the chronically ill (with asthma, diabetes ).
                        LUNG INFLAMMATION
                        Javier Cerda, the doctor bronchopulmonary Vespucio Clinic , explains that pneumonia " is an inflammation of the lung that generally results in a condensation ".
                        This means that "secretions accumulate at the alveoli , the anatomical structure of the lung, and the swelling and condensation can produce septic shock , a picture of acute respiratory failure or pulmonary associated with cardiovascular collapse. "
                        Because of this "low blood pressure to a minimum and the only way to keep the patient alive is with vasoactive drugs, they do keep the cardiovascular system, in addition to antibiotics and mechanical ventilation, "he adds.
                        The disease is caused by various bacteria and viruses. The latter include, for example, adenovirus, syncytial, influenza.
                        Patients may also be carriers of microorganisms that cause disease, and sick when his defenses down.
                        DRIVERS
                        Whether a person will develop the disease depends on several factors: epidemiological, environmental , the geographic location is .
                        The immune system of the patient also plays an important role, especially if it is altered due to chemotherapy or disease such as AIDS.
                        It can happen that some people suffer evils unknown immunological "causing catastrophic development as hemorrhagic pneumonia," the doctor.
                        BELATEDLY CONSULT
                        The disease can begin as a simple flu, but if not detected early can be complicated and deadly.
                        A severe pneumonia "causes the lungs to become inflamed , fill with secretions. If the inflammation continues and antibiotics have no effect, can produce a pulmonary infarction, with destruction of lung tissue, and result in hemorrhagic pneumonia ".
                        Javier Cerda emphasizes that the main factor in aggravation of the evil, "is the late diagnosis. Sometimes parents do not realize the symptoms of children and consult later , "he adds.
                        The specialist asks the parents to be alert to some pathology telltale signs: cough and fever for over 48 hours . And if changes in behavior as evidenced stop playing and eating. In this case the parents should take immediately to an emergency room to be evaluated by a doctor and will take an x-ray and a blood sample.
                        " The main thing is to prevent deaths early consultation.'s better to be exaggerated , "he says.
                        In adults " a pneumonia complex that affects more than 2 lobes of the lung is considered serious, " he says. The risk increases if antibiotics are not delivered promptly. In this segment on mortality can reach 50%.
                        TREATMENT
                        Pneumonia is treated with antibiotics. Depending on the severity of symptoms, the patient may require mechanical ventilation or be connected to ECMO .
                        The severely ill may develop kidney failure requiring dialysis reaching , added the specialist.

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                        • #27
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                          Originally posted by Tonka View Post
                          http://www.lanacion.cl/neumonia-diag...14/145125.html

                          Spanish-English translation
                          The disease is caused by various bacteria and viruses. The latter include, for example, adenovirus, syncytial, influenza.
                          .
                          And that precisely is the issue. Which virus or bacteria killed this girl? That is what needs to be determined, and those three viruses are a good place to start testing.

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                          • #28
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                            And suddenly, from the comments on (an article solving the outbreak in http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=199452 as due to Legionella):

                            El Ministerio de Salud había dicho que se trataba de esa enfermedad cuando todavía faltaba completar estudios.


                            Facundo De Luis (logged using Hotmail)
                            Legionella and Legionnaires' disease is the same disease that killed a girl, daughter of a model that is sick Argentina in Mexico last year.

                            ---------

                            That strongly suggests this death is due to Legionella as well, and we simply missed the final conclusion.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Girl died from hemorrhagic pneumonia - possible Legionella

                              the legionnaire's disease was a hypothesis but I am not aware that
                              has been confirmed

                              See:

                              Cadena3.com el Portal de Cadena 3 Argentina, Radio en vivo, Ultimas 24 horas de Transmisión, Noticias de Argentina y el mundo. Información actualizada las 24 horas. En Español. ¡Informate ya!


                              On the other hand the legionellosis causes hemorrhagic pneumonia in immunocompromised patients:

                              In immunocompromised patients, the main infectious diseases that cause DAH are cytomegalovirus, adenovirus, invasive aspergillosis, Mycoplasma, Legionella, and Strongyloides. In immunocompetent patients, the infectious diseases that most frequently cause DAH are influenza A (H1N1), dengue, leptospirosis, malaria, and Staphylococcus aureus infection


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