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    Please post your links and recommendations here.

    This is a charged topic for some people. This thread is not the place to debate the rights or wrongs of armed self defense, its just a place to put the info so individuals can read and make up their own minds.

    I found the article below fascinating. While its a not a "how to" article, it does raise some very interesting points about the world we find ourselves in- and some of the decisions we may need to make if push comes to shove. For those considering defense of their loved ones, perhaps it will give you food for thought.

    I hope you enjoy it. If it makes you just a little bit uncomfortable- well, thats often the very first stage of personal growth. I know that it certainly helped me understand some of my own journey, and desires to be part of something that can help.

    ON SHEEP, SHEEPDOGS, AND WOLVES

    By LTC (RET) Dave Grossman,
    RANGER, Ph.D.,author of "On Killing."

    Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our time, that may mean social disapproval, public scorn, hardship, persecution, or as always,even death itself. The question remains: What is worth defending? What is worth dying for? What is worth living for? - William J. Bennett - in a lecture to the United States Naval Academy November 24, 1997

    One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me: "Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident." This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another.

    Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably less than one in a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is considerably less than two million.

    Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.

    I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me it is like the pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers, and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful.? For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.

    "Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran said, "and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.

    "Then there are sheepdogs," he went on, "and I'm a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf."

    If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen, a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed

    Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial, that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids' schools.

    But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid's school. Our children are thousands of times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by school violence than fire, but the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their child is just too hard, and so they chose the path of denial.

    The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, can not and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheep dog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.

    Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa."

    Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog.

    The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough high school students, and under ordinary circumstances they would not have had the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them. This is how the little lambs feel about their sheepdog when the wolf is at the door.

    Look at what happened after September 11, 2001 when the wolf pounded hard on the door. Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently about their law enforcement officers and military personnel? Remember how many times you heard the word hero?

    Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed right along with the young ones.

    Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes." The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference." When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference.

    There is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, but he does have one real advantage. Only one. And that is that he is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population.

    There was research conducted a few years ago with individuals convicted of violent crimes. These cons were in prison for serious, predatory crimes of violence: assaults, murders and killing law enforcement officers. The vast majority said that they specifically targeted victims by body language: slumped walk, passive behavior and lack of awareness. They chose their victims like big cats do in Africa, when they select one out of the herd that is least able to protect itself.

    Some people may be destined to be sheep and others might be genetically primed to be wolves or sheepdogs. But I believe that most people can choose which one they want to be, and I'm proud to say that more and more Americans are choosing to become sheepdogs.

    Seven months after the attack on September 11, 2001, Todd Beamer was honored in his hometown of Cranbury, New Jersey. Todd, as you recall, was the man on Flight 93 over Pennsylvania who called on his cell phone to alert an operator from United Airlines about the hijacking. When he learned of the other three passenger planes that had been used as weapons, Todd dropped his phone and uttered the words, "Let's roll," which authorities believe was a signal to the other passengers to confront the terrorist hijackers. In one hour, a transformation occurred among the passengers - athletes, business people and parents. -- from sheep to sheepdogs and together they fought the wolves, ultimately saving an unknown number of lives on the ground.

    There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. - Edmund Burke

    Here is the point I like to emphasize, especially to the thousands of police officers and soldiers I speak to each year. In nature the sheep, real sheep, are born as sheep. Sheepdogs are born that way, and so are wolves. They didn't have a choice. But you are not a critter. As a human being, you can be whatever you want to be. It is a conscious, moral decision.

    If you want to be a sheep, then you can be a sheep and that is okay, but you must understand the price you pay. When the wolf comes, you and your loved ones are going to die if there is not a sheepdog there to protect you. If you want to be a wolf, you can be one, but the sheepdogs are going to hunt you down and you will never have rest, safety, trust or love. But if you want to be a sheepdog and walk the warrior's path, then you must make a conscious and moral decision every day to dedicate, equip and prepare yourself to thrive in that toxic, corrosive moment when the wolf comes knocking at the door.

    For example, many officers carry their weapons in church.? They are well concealed in ankle holsters, shoulder holsters or inside-the- belt holsters tucked into the small of their backs.? Anytime you go to some form of religious service, there is a very good chance that a police officer in your congregation is carrying. You will never know if there is such an individual in your place of worship, until the wolf appears to massacre you and your loved ones.

    I was training a group of police officers in Texas, and during the break, one officer asked his friend if he carried his weapon in church. The other cop replied, "I will never be caught without my gun in church." I asked why he felt so strongly about this, and he told me about a cop he knew who was at a church massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas in 1999. In that incident, a mentally deranged individual came into the church and opened fire, gunning down fourteen people. He said that officer believed he could have saved every life that day if he had been carrying his gun. His own son was shot, and all he could do was throw himself on the boy's body and wait to die. That cop looked me in the eye and said, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?"

    Some individuals would be horrified if they knew this police officer was carrying a weapon in church. They might call him paranoid and would probably scorn him. Yet these same individuals would be enraged and would call for "heads to roll" if they found out that the airbags in their cars were defective, or that the fire extinguisher and fire sprinklers in their kids' school did not work. They can accept the fact that fires and traffic accidents can happen and that there must be safeguards against them.

    Their only response to the wolf, though, is denial, and all too often their response to the sheepdog is scorn and disdain. But the sheepdog quietly asks himself, "Do you have and idea how hard it would be to live with yourself if your loved ones were attacked and killed, and you had to stand there helplessly because you were unprepared for that day?"

    It is denial that turns people into sheep. Sheep are psychologically destroyed by combat because their only defense is denial, which is counterproductive and destructive, resulting in fear, helplessness and horror when the wolf shows up.

    Denial kills you twice. It kills you once, at your moment of truth when you are not physically prepared: you didn't bring your gun, you didn't train. Your only defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy. Denial kills you a second time because even if you do physically survive, you are psychologically shattered by your fear helplessness and horror at your moment of truth.

    Gavin de Becker puts it like this in "Fear Less", his superb post-
    9/11 book, which should be required reading for anyone trying to come to terms with our current world situation: "...denial can be seductive, but it has an insidious side effect. For all the peace of mind deniers think they get by saying it isn't so, the fall they take when faced with new violence is all the more unsettling."

    Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the denying person knows the truth on some level.

    And so the warrior must strive to confront denial in all aspects of his life, and prepare himself for the day when evil comes.

    If you are a warrior who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside without that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come today. No one can be "on"
    24/7, for a lifetime. Everyone needs down time. But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself... "Baa."

    This business of being a sheep or a sheep dog is not a yes-no dichotomy. It is not an all-or-nothing, either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a continuum. On one end is an abject, head-in-the- sand-sheep and on the other end is the ultimate warrior. Few people exist completely on one end or the other.

    Most of us live somewhere in between. Since 9-11 almost everyone in America took a step up that continuum, away from denial. The sheep took a few steps toward accepting and appreciating their warriors, and the warriors started taking their job more seriously. The degree to which you move up that continuum, away from sheephood and denial, is the degree to which you and your loved ones will survive, physically and psychologically at your moment of truth.
    Upon this gifted age, in its dark hour,
    Rains from the sky a meteoric shower
    Of facts....They lie unquestioned, uncombined.
    Wisdom enough to leech us of our ill
    Is daily spun, but there exists no loom
    To weave it into fabric..
    Edna St. Vincent Millay "Huntsman, What Quarry"
    All my posts to this forum are for fair use and educational purposes only.

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    Dave Grossman (Lt. Col., ret ranger) is a highly respected PhD stress psychologist who teaches or taught at West Point. I picked up his book to read because he works with the military and knows the physiological reactions that occur under stress that can put people at risk in a dangerous environment. It's a branch of stress psychology called "human factors". I work with wildland firefighters who work in a stressful environment and can be prone to those same physiological responses if a fire blows up.

    In my opinion, Dave has an important message that each person (and family) should evaluate for themself. Not only is his book interesting in and of itself, and for the stress psychologist, it also gives the reader a glimpse into what one is likely to encounter, how one is likely to feel, and how one will be able to act or not in a violent situation -- stuff that others do not talk about...

    My husband and I are committed to seeking nonviolent solutions to conflict. Simultaneously we support our troops and our police, and others who serve to defend us. We are also pragmatists living in what is likely to become uncertain times and we must be prepared.

    We expect that the pandemic will bring out the best and possibly or probably the worst in people. We know about the best. We don't know about violence and the potential psychological scars of the worst.

    Soon after thinking about discussing this for the first time as a family, Dave Grossman came to speak locally. Several of us heard Dave speak and our whole family either read his book or listened to a cd of his lecture. Our family has been through the reading, listening, discussion process. While some issues are not resolved and we agree to disagree at least a little, I feel we are stronger and more prepared for having had the discussions.

    I recommend his book On Combat, the Psychology of Deadly Conflict in War and in Peace. (I just put in the Amazon link, but most bookstores online carry it.)

    Another good book on the human factors of survival under extreme conditions is Lawrence Gonzales Deep Survival: Who Lives, Who Dies and Why.

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    • #3
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      The best defense is a good offense.

      Instead of preparing yourself to defend against your neighbors, why not consider educating and preparing them?

      If it doesn't work, consider sharing and go to plan B or plan C.

      For me, plan D is an old fashioned western shootout... I have a few guns and know how to use them.... I don't wan't to go to plan D but it is a "worst case" option being considered.

      I hope my preps keep that from happening. Part of individual and family preps should be communicating risk and educating everyone else around them about the hazards, the consequences, and the preparations needed.
      "Predictable is Preventable" by Safety Expert Dr. Gordon Graham.

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        Hi l0kster

        Some good comments.
        In 1918 took 4-8 weeks to run throug a wave. After the preps you mention, acquire some more food and Rx drugs if you take anything regularly.

        For about $75 you can get 2 bags of rice (50#), 2 bags of beans (50#), container of daily multi vitamins and vitamin Cs, some tomatoes, sauce or puree and spices for the rice and beans, oh, and some oil. It's pretty cheap insurance!

        Sons have the guns. That's the first thing they thought of...

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        • #5
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          Originally posted by l0kster
          ......I believe I can count on my neighbors to share the burden.

          however with Law enforcement stretched thin or out sick or dead - there will be lots of predators gunning for food, water, and whatever else you have.

          ........ buy some yellow "police" tape and some biohazard bags/signs. If masses of people start dying and pillaging becomes a real problem - put some yellow tape around your front and back doors with biohazard warnings around. Even better if you can find some dead animals to lay on the lawn - shoot some birds with a BB gun if you have to. THen hole up with your supplies.........

          - bible wouldn't hurt.
          Welcome to the forum.

          Dead animals on the lawn wins my award for creativity!

          Neighbors working together should certainly be the MO of choice.

          Our poor law enforcement people will be overwhelmed and need every bit of help maintaining law and order. If neighborhoods can "police" themselves at every opportunity, then the "real" cops can concentrate on the "real" bad guys.

          I'm not above a barricade erected by the locals simply for their peace of mind.

          People would simply be starting new "gated communities."

          .
          Last edited by AlaskaDenise; May 24, 2006, 05:53 AM.
          "The next major advancement in the health of American people will be determined by what the individual is willing to do for himself"-- John Knowles, Former President of the Rockefeller Foundation

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            Practise going to the neighbours to borrow a cup of flour.
            They soon get the idea you don't have anything.

            Seriously, the best thing is to work with your neighbours. Have a list of supplies they could buy at the last minute and where to buy them. Have a bucket of spare supplies for the family who couldn't afford them.

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              Just as a reminder - this is a pacifist site. We do not allow discussion about armaments. Thanks.

              We want to promote peaceful solutions to conflict.

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              • #8
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                You are kidding right?

                I guess i just "shot myself in the foot".

                Self defense is a must prep given the mass of humanity that thinks we are crazy and refuse to prep.

                They will come for our preps... should we just be compassionate humans and turn over our life to them?

                No me babe - I have been attempting to get people around me to prep... deaf ears everywhere.

                Self defense is a must thing of prep... and self defnse without teeth is no defense.

                Sorry F! - I completely disagree with you on this one.

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                • #9
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                  [quote=Florida1]Just as a reminder - this is a pacifist site. We do not allow discussion about armaments. Thanks.

                  We want to promote peaceful solutions to conflict.[/quote]

                  Now I'm REALLY confused !!!

                  After having read this thread from the beginning, am I NOW supposed to understand that it is a GOOD thing to be a sheep??? ... Just a'wishin and a'hopin that Mr.Wolf will sit down and discuss a "peaceful solution to conflict" :

                  Sheepette: "This is my food, Mr. Wolf. So kindly go away and get your own."

                  Wolf: "So sorry, Ms.Sheep. I'd didn't mean to intrude; I'll be on my way now."

                  Just doesn't seem realistic somehow. So what's a poor sheep to do???
                  (Let's just assume that big bad wolves don't chit-chat about socially-acceptable alternative solutions to their immediate problems.)

                  This is serious. I'm a solo Sheepette going through this pandemic alone. So what am I supposed to do to survive the wolves???

                  Dawn

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                  • #10
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                    Originally posted by aNewDawn
                    ... Now I'm REALLY confused !!!

                    ....

                    This is serious. I'm a solo Sheepette going through this pandemic alone. So what am I supposed to do to survive the wolves???

                    Dawn
                    Dawn-

                    I can't respond for Florida1, but don't get confused about the metaphors of sheep and wolves in relation to a pandemic or how one person, as an individual, prepares for a pandemic.

                    We don't know how bad the social fabric of society will be disrupted if we have a pandemic. But since the beginning of civilization, it has been communities of people that have kept society going. This does not mean a bunch of separate individuals making separate decisions based on self-interest. It means people that share common goals and interests and work together as a team to promote the good of the community.

                    As you read through the prep threads on this and other sites, it will appear that many people are only concerned about prepping for themselves and their immediate family. But the enlightened ones recognizes that this is only a short term solution. Unless there is genuine community cooperation now and during the pandemic, there will be no society for us to participate in after it is over.

                    You need to start with preps for yourself, but you also need to find or develop a support network among your friends, coworkers, and other community members so that you can all cope once a pandemic starts.
                    http://novel-infectious-diseases.blogspot.com/

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                      aNewDawn,

                      promoting peaceful solutions is possible only when one is strong enough to enforce them by will or by stick. Since so many are not preparing, your greatest threat are your neighbors and friends and relatives who can drive to you. They will come knocking on your door for help. Then banging on it... finally knocking it down. They will huff, and puff and blow your house down when they are hungry enough.

                      F1 is correct. We must find peaceful solutions.....
                      I have said this before and i'll say it again...

                      The only thing we can do is prep ourselves, those around us and those who can get to us. The only problem is NO ONE IN LISTENING.

                      So now what?
                      My martial arts teacher says "bury your valuables (preps in this case) and when "they" come, invite them in to take whatever you want. His thinking is based in ancient Chinese self defense. Maybe that is why they are still there.

                      While I know that I cannot possibly defend my home against a mob, armed or not, I must in all good conscience try. I couldnt sleep at night until i had at lease 1 shotgun and 1000 rounds at hand.

                      I sure hope i never need it... but if its between using that rod of death and watching my family attacked and preps stolen.... I will be on the front lawn line of defense.

                      i still spread the word about H5N1 and the need to prep.... and still the words fall on deaf ears. So I continue to arm myself with water solutions, food storage, garden growing, hand tools and weapons. Anyone who wants my help in prepping has it freely. Those who laugh at me now will become my enemies later... I am sorry but that is how I see it. I cannot feed them... not even One without sacrificing my family. People will be taking the fall for their inability to "see" the future and head warnings. I dont want to fall with them.

                      Community building is great - but it aint gonna happen. Sorry. People are too selfish and narrow minded. They are locked in the JIT mentality. They are locked in the tought that nothing bad will ever happen to them. That the Federal Gov will be there to save them. That medical science will save the day.

                      They are in a fantasy that is very dangerous. And in dangerous time, extraordinary measures must be taken.

                      If anyone has a solution please let me know.

                      Goju

                      [QUOTE=aNewDawn]
                      Originally posted by Florida1
                      Just as a reminder - this is a pacifist site. We do not allow discussion about armaments. Thanks.

                      We want to promote peaceful solutions to conflict.[/quote]

                      Now I'm REALLY confused !!!

                      After having read this thread from the beginning, am I NOW supposed to understand that it is a GOOD thing to be a sheep??? ... Just a'wishin and a'hopin that Mr.Wolf will sit down and discuss a "peaceful solution to conflict" :

                      Sheepette: "This is my food, Mr. Wolf. So kindly go away and get your own."

                      Wolf: "So sorry, Ms.Sheep. I'd didn't mean to intrude; I'll be on my way now."

                      Just doesn't seem realistic somehow. So what's a poor sheep to do???
                      (Let's just assume that big bad wolves don't chit-chat about socially-acceptable alternative solutions to their immediate problems.)

                      This is serious. I'm a solo Sheepette going through this pandemic alone. So what am I supposed to do to survive the wolves???

                      Dawn

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                      • #12
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                        I never wanted to own a gun. Just personal choice based upon statistics of: victims being shot with their own gun; children dying while experimenting with guns in the home; etc.

                        Having followed the progress for H5N1 for 1+ years, I couldn't ignore the importance of self-defence. After watching the scenes of a post-Katrina New Orleans, we began shopping for guns. My husband and I are the last line of defence for our young children. I couldn't live with myself if I didn't do all within my ability to protect and provide for them. In addition to food, water, antivirals, alternative energy and heat sources, our preps include having weapons and the training to use them.
                        "In the beginning of change, the patriot is a scarce man (or woman https://flutrackers.com/forum/core/i...ilies/wink.png), and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for it then costs nothing to be a patriot."- Mark TwainReason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. -Thomas Paine

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                        • #13
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                          Goju
                          This message has been deleted by Goju.
                          Why?
                          "In the beginning of change, the patriot is a scarce man (or woman https://flutrackers.com/forum/core/i...ilies/wink.png), and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for it then costs nothing to be a patriot."- Mark TwainReason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. -Thomas Paine

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                            A reminder to people that FluTrackers has the following policy "no discussion on guns or violence".
                            Last edited by Sally Furniss; August 1, 2006, 02:51 AM.

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                              Okay. ...goes to quickly print this thread before it is deleted and re-read the policy.
                              "In the beginning of change, the patriot is a scarce man (or woman https://flutrackers.com/forum/core/i...ilies/wink.png), and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for it then costs nothing to be a patriot."- Mark TwainReason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. -Thomas Paine

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