More information on the origins of this (Oaxaca)

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New york times says she fell ill on April 1st, after the first illness onset's from California.

http://tech.mit.edu/V129/N23/long2.html

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no nurses infected, neither family members.
But then a few students returning from Cancun 20.Apr
and ~350 infected by 23.Apr in a school

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Exactly. I also believe that InDre never found novel H1N1 in Gutierrez, it was the NML and CDC that did. Oaxaca has confirmed dozens of cases with onset dates in April - that sample is someone else's.

From Gs's MSNBC April 30 link:
In the end, only 18 people — all hospital workers — were tested for swine flu after Gutierrez's sample came back positive around April 20,... Of the 18 saliva samples taken from medical staff, 12 did not have enough cells to be tested. The other six came back negative for swine flu, Coronado said. (So there were no positives?)

Coronado said only 18 of all the (472) people interviewed were tested for swine flu because the others didn't show signs of the disease (no comment on the results of these tests)

Health officials say Ooxaca's 11 current cases of suspected swine flu are unrelated to the tax workers,

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eastermonday is holiday in oaxaca ?

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Couldn't samples have been taken on the 14th from: pieces of liver, lung and traveled to Mexico City, a part of it remained in the Institute of Epidemiological Diagnosis and Reference, the rest went to Canada

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> Leon, who caters food to Oaxaca hotels


> Salcedo guessed that no one else in the Gutierrez and Hernandez families got sick
> because their immune systems were simply strong enough to withstand the swine flu virus.
> But Mexico's Health Secretary Jose Cordova said Thursday that this remains a mystery.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30492441/

hmmm...

> Gutierrez was buried the day she died,

so no samples taken from her on 14.April

Exactly. I also believe that InDre never found novel H1N1 in Gutierrez, it was the NML and CDC that did. Oaxaca has confirmed dozens of cases with onset dates in April - that sample is someone else's.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30492441/

hmmm...

> Gutierrez was buried the day she died,

so no samples taken from her on 14.April

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not sure, no age and gender given.
Samples were taken after her death.

It's possible, but I can't imagine she was any kind of "Patient Zero" - she just happened to get discovered first.

When they were suspecting a novel coronavirus, they were checking out possible animal exposures, and didn't find any. I'm fairly certain she caught it from a human mild case.

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not sure, no age and gender given.
Samples were taken after her death.


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pieces of liver, lung and traveled to Mexico City, a part of it remained in the Institute of Epidemiological Diagnosis and Reference, the rest went to Canada

The official confirmation by the Ministry of Health was given to the Center for Disease Control and Prevention United States, located in Atlanta, confirmed the case on April 16.

The doctors took samples of their bronchial secresiones, blood and faeces for shipment to laboratories

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Are you sure about that? This woman died in the morning of 4/13. If the sample was taken 4/14, it is unlikely to be hers. What age and gender is given?

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14. April

it was reported that they sent it to Canada.
Only two sequences marked "InDRE" at genbank,
the other is 4114, no date,gender,age given.

I had sent email to InDRE, no reply.

Edgar from LaGloria is presumably 4108,4m,02.April, 6 mutations,
including the two from
the Northern strain, so not the anchestor of Cancunflu(NY/3215).
(which I think was in Mexico City (4482,4604,) which in turn goes back to
the preserved Oaxaca-strain (4487,4115))

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seems that the early cases are from an outbreak in LaGloria.
But I think LaGloria was not the origin, the sequences
show some mutations already.
The fewest mutations are seen in InDre4487, which
I assume is from Adela Maria Gutierrez.
The virus may have survived in the environment
and she may have got it from pork or such.

What date was that sample InDre4487 taken?

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seems that the early cases are from an outbreak in LaGloria.
But I think LaGloria was not the origin, the sequences
show some mutations already.
The fewest mutations are seen in InDre4487, which
I assume is from Adela Maria Gutierrez.
The virus may have survived in the environment
and she may have got it from pork or such.

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Re: More information on the origins of this (Oaxaca)

There are confirmed cases in Mexico dating back to March 11, if not earlier. The Oaxaca woman likely acquired the virus from a mild human case. This woman in Oaxaca is still at least several generations removed from the index case.

I would appreciate a translation on that video, though.