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  • #31
    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/202.../dozm-j14.html
    Questions remain unanswered after New York City nuclear war alert
    Clara Weiss @claraweiss_wsws
    13 July 2022

    Two days after the July 11 release of a public service announcement by New York City’s office of emergency management (OEM) for the case of a nuclear attack, there has been no serious explanation given for this extraordinary step taken by the administration of America’s largest city, which is home to almost 8.5 million people and the country’s financial center, Wall Street.
    The 90 second long video, which has now been watched by over half a million people, was issued without any political explanation or context. In what appeared like a parody on the Cold War-era advice to children to “hide under your desk” in case a nuclear bomb is dropped, the video recommended the public to “get inside,” “shower with soap or shampoo,” and then “stay put” and check their “safety alerts” from the city for more information. To top it all, the presenter ended the video with a reassuring smile, stating, “You’ve got this.”
    The utter irrationality of the content was almost as disturbing as the very fact of the release of the video itself. Of course, all of these recommendations would be worthless in case of an actual nuclear detonation, which would incinerate the city and surrounding area and turn much of the East Coast uninhabitable for generations...
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    • #32
      See post #9 for more on this weapon.

      https://americanmilitarynews.com/202...uke-torpedoes/
      Russia activates ‘doomsday’ submarine armed with nuke torpedoes

      An advanced “doomsday” submarine capable of launching massive nuclear torpedoes entered service with the Russian Navy on Friday. The move comes after Russian figures have made repeated threats of nuclear war to opponents of Russia’s war in Ukraine.

      Russian state-owned TASS news agency reported Friday that shipbuilders at the Sevmash Shipyard had made the final delivery of the Project 09852 special-purpose submarine Belgorod to the Russian Navy. The Belgorod is a 508-foot-long modified version of the Soviet-designed Oscar-class submarine.

      The Belgorod has been specially designed to carry and deploy up to six 80-foot long nuclear-armed weapons known as the Status-6 Oceanic Multipurpose System “Poseidon,” also known as Kanyon by NATO. The Poseidon weapons have been referred to both as nuclear torpedoes and as nuclear-powered unmanned underwater vehicles. According to U.S. Naval Institute News, the Poseidon torpedoes are estimated to carry 100 megaton nuclear warheads, which could be launched against enemy shorelines and detonate against enemy coastal cities or create tidal waves that flood vast swathes of land. The potential destructive power of the Poseidon torpedoes has earned the Belgorod a reputation as a “doomsday” vessel. TASS euphemistically referred repeatedly to the new submarine as a research vessel...
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      • #33
        https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/n...stolic-nuncios
        Pope Francis shares his concern about nuclear war risks in meeting with Vatican diplomats
        By AC Wimmer
        Rome Newsroom, Sep 8, 2022 / 11:00 am

        ...

        But, unfortunately, he said, not only Europe but also the entire world is shaken by a “war of particular gravity.”
        “It is a ‘piecemeal’ third world war, to which you bear witness in the places where you carry out your mission,” the pope told his representatives.

        Pope Francis has repeatedly spoken of World War III during his pontificate.

        In April, he wrote in an introduction to an Italian book that the world was moving toward World War III as if it were unavoidable, but that the war was not inevitable.

        “When we allow ourselves to be devoured by this monster represented by war, when we allow this monster to raise its head and guide our actions, everyone loses, we destroy God’s creatures, we commit sacrilege and prepare a future of death for our children and grandchildren,” he wrote...
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        • #34
          "But this desperation is very dangerous right now because they are losing again just south of Kharkov. And there are people in Washington talking about 'what else can we do?' There's actually talk about fighting and then winning a limited nuclear war, which, of course, is delusional. And we should have given up on that decades ago, but it's coming back in vogue."

          Recorded September 9
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          • #35
            https://www.businessinsider.com/ukra...led-out-2022-9
            Ukraine's military chief says 'limited' nuclear war with Russia can't be ruled out, warning it could raise the prospect of World War 3

            Jake Epstein and John Haltiwanger
            • Ukrainian military officials said a "limited" nuclear war with Russia can't be ruled out.
            • In an op-ed, they wrote that a nuclear conflict raises the possibility of World War III.
            • Russia's invasion of Ukraine has shown it "neglects" the concept of global nuclear security, the officials wrote.
            Ukraine's top military officials warned on Wednesday that that a "limited" nuclear war with Russia — which could potentially trigger World War III — can't be ruled out as fighting continues.

            Gen. Valeriy Zaluzhnyi, the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and Lt. Gen. Mykhailo Zabrodskyi, who serves as the first deputy chair of the Ukrainian parliament's national security, defense, and intelligence committee, shared their thoughts on the six-month-long conflict in an op-ed published by the country's state news agency Ukrinform.

            The duo wrote that one factor worth considering in Russia's approach to the war is the underlying threat of tactical nuclear weapons usage, arguing that Russia's unprovoked invasion has shown that it "neglects" the concept of global nuclear security, as has been demonstrated by its actions at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant and around Chernobyl.

            "It is hard to imagine that even nuclear strikes will allow Russia to break Ukraine's will to resist," Zaluzhnyi and Zabrodskyi wrote. "But the threat that will emerge for the whole of Europe cannot be ignored."

            They cautioned that the "possibility of direct involvement of the world's leading powers in a 'limited' nuclear conflict, bringing closer the prospect of World War 3, cannot be completely ruled out either."...
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            • #36
              A retired general and former national security adviser thinks Putin should be pushed to launch a small nuclear weapon against Ukraine. He thinks the world would condemn Putin, (rather than the US for pushing things that far). He thinks the risk of a greater nuclear exchange is worth it. (For whom?) Note the timing of the interview coincides with the discovery of the sabotage of Russia's Nord Stream pipelines.

              https://www.foxnews.com/video/6312879326112
              America Reports
              September 26, 2022 05:00


              Last edited by Emily; October 6, 2022, 03:17 AM. Reason: Typo fix.
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              • alert
                alert commented
                Editing a comment
                Most media acts as though the only responses to the use of a nuclear weapon would be either nothing at all or global nuclear war. There are other options, many of which we probably don't even know exist. Retired general Petraus has suggested that one of the responses to such an attack would involve NATO destroying all the Russian forces in Ukraine from the air. Would that trigger a nuclear war? We don't know, and that's kind of the point.

                Also, I feel like the media is missing the point that the US and Russia have both had 50 years or more to develop other weapons beyond just nukes. Would any of them be a more effective option here? Without knowing details that are impossible to know as a civilian observer, there's no way to know. A pure nuclear exchange between the US and Russia would indeed lead to a loss by both sides, but the result of other modern weapons would have an unpredictable result.

              • Emily
                Emily commented
                Editing a comment
                I don't think Petraeus is as crazy or destructive as he sounds there. The whole focus on 'what should we do if...' is likely misdirection propaganda. Petraeus is Chairman of a global investment company now. This is what is real in their world. Right now it looks like de-globalization and big power competition. Portfolio mixes are shifting in response, but not dramatically. There is uncertainty.

                xhttps://www.kkr.com/global-perspectives/publications/the-times-they-are-a-changin
                The Times They Are A-Changin’

            • #37

              CRUX
              Oct 3, 2022
              1.58M subscribers

              NATO has reportedly warned its members about the mobilisation of a Russian nuclear submarine armed with a doomsday device. The submarine, which has “disappeared” from its White Sea base in the Arctic Circle, is suspected to be the K-329 Belgorod. NATO fears the submarine may be enroute the Kara Sea to test the Poseidon, as per Italian daily La Repubblica. The Poseidon and Belgorod were among a series of “invincible” weapons unveiled by Russian President Putin in 2018. Watch the video to know more. #russia #K329Belgorod #poseidon 00:00 - INTRODUCTION 01:12 - THE BELGOROD SUBMARINE 02:27 - POSEIDON– PUTIN’S DOOMSDAY WEAPON
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              • #38
                https://www.rt.com/news/564631-macro...ussia-ukraine/
                3 Oct, 2022 19:04 HomeWorld News

                Macron outlines stance on use of nukes against Russia

                France’s interests “wouldn’t be directly affected” if there was a nuclear attack in Ukraine, President Emmanuel Macron said
                rench President Emmanuel Macron has said Paris would not respond with nuclear weapons if Russia deployed nukes against Ukraine. The comments immediately drew the ire of critics, who said he had divulged too much information...
                ...

                Macron also called on Putin to “stop the war” and come back to the negotiating table for talks with Ukraine. While Kiev has ruled out negotiating with Moscow, Macron said that “at some point” it will be “necessary.”
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                • #39
                  About 12 min in-

                  "And also, what do you think about the possibility of nuclear war?"
                  Col. MacGregor: "Nonexistent. Unless we deploy a nuclear weapon. There is no evidence of the Russians preparing to use nuclear weapons whatsoever..."


                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JArZ6d5pyvc
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                  • #40
                    https://sonar21.com/red-line-rat-lin...op-to-madness/
                    Red Line, Rat Line Part Deux In Ukraine–Will American Generals Put A Stop To Madness?

                    23 October 2022 by Larry Johnson 135 Comments

                    There is an uptick in the panicked speculation about Ukraine using a dirty bomb in order to fabricate a pretext that would justify NATO’s intervention in Ukraine. Reminds me a lot of the previous efforts by the Brits and the Yanks to manufacture a crisis in Syria in August 2013 that would compel the United States and the Brits to send their troops to aid Islamic rebels seeking to overthrown Syrian leader Assad...
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                    • #41
                      There appears to have been a strike on at least one of Russia's strategic nuclear weapon facilities. The way I understand the deterrence nuclear doctrine put into place in 2020, this may be justification in Russia's legal framework to respond with nuclear force. Their doctrine is similar to that of the US's. I think in October, Putin stated that using nuclear weapons against Ukraine was not planned and not thought to be necessary.
                      Of note is this US administration official being in Ukraine right before the attacks on Russia's nuclear facilities: https://web.archive.org/web/20221204...-50288565.html


                      https://apnews.com/4f1772d79852e63ad9338ac557e009f1

                      http://actual.pravo.gov.ru/text.html...01202006020040
                      17. The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, and also in the event of aggression against the Russian Federation using conventional weapons, where the very existence of the State is threatened.

                      18. The decision on the use of nuclear weapons shall be taken by the President of the Russian Federation.

                      19. The conditions determining the possibility of the use of nuclear weapons by the Russian Federation are:

                      (a) the receipt of reliable information on the launch of ballistic missiles attacking the territory of the Russian Federation and/or its allies;

                      b) use by the enemy of nuclear weapons or other types of weapons of mass destruction on the territory of the Russian Federation and (or) its allies;

                      c) the enemy's impact on critical State or military facilities of the Russian Federation, the deactivation of which would disrupt the response actions of nuclear forces;

                      (d) aggression against the Russian Federation using conventional weapons, where the very existence of the state is threatened.

                      20. 20. The President of the Russian Federation may, if necessary, inform the military and political leadership of other states and/or international organisations of the Russian Federation's readiness to use nuclear weapons or of the decision to use nuclear weapons and of the fact of their use.


                      Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
                      https://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/1...engels_strike/

                      Last edited by Emily; December 7, 2022, 03:54 PM. Reason: Replace 'first strike', (term not in decree 355), with 'deterrence'
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                      • #42
                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...es/ar-AA150tL3
                        Putin dismisses nuclear weapons concerns, says 'we haven't gone mad': Live Ukraine updates

                        Story by John Bacon and Jorge L. Ortiz, USA TODAY
                        ...

                        Putin dismissed concerns that he would use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, calling them a deterrent. He has said Russia will use “all available means” to protect its territory, including the annexed areas of Ukraine.

                        “We haven’t gone mad," he said Wednesday. "We are fully aware of what nuclear weapons are."..
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