China - Mystery disease in 6 provinces - HIV/AIDS ruled out - Epstein-Barr virus infection and reactive arthritis

[J.G Sweden]

Hello everybody, I?m new to this forum.

I found this report on "RSOE Emergency and Disaster Information Service"
and i don?t know what to make of it.

Here is the site: http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php

And here is the report: http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/woalert...t=dis&lang=eng

Click on "Event Description" in the upper left corner to read it.

I hope that this is not as bad as it sounds, but I thought you should know about it. I haven?t been able to find a secondary source to confirm this.


"A new infectious disease is spreading in large areas of Mainland China. Symptoms are similar to AIDS but it spreads faster between family members, even via bodily fluids like saliva. Mr. Lin from Yunnan Province caught a disease last May, unlike anything he had seen before. "This disease destroys immunity cells just like AIDS. The lowest amount of immunity cells of some patients is only 200, mine is 400. The doctor couldn't find many antibodies, so he called it 'Fear of AIDS' disease." Preliminary research shows that patients have symptoms of fatigue, chronic diarrhea, swollen lymph nodes, and weakened immunity. But doctors cannot find any sign of the HIV virus. "A huge number of people caught the nameless virus but the doctors cannot make a thorough check. So they make a conclusion that it's a 'Fear of AIDS' disease. The symptoms are very much like those of AIDS."

Because the Chinese Ministry of Health doesn't recognize the disease, it has not carried out any investigation. However, patients feel very horrified and sad when they see their family members and friends become infected by coming into contact with their saliva or sweat. "We hope that media reports can pressure the relevant departments to pay more attention to the disease. Do not make any irresponsible conclusions and say it is caused by fear or psychological effect ? it is a real virus. Many doctors, including doctors from Beijing also say this is an infectious disease." Doctors from mainland China also believe patients might catch the disease. However, the exact number of people infected remains unknown and what the mortality rate is, and how many have died from it.) "

[Gert van der Hoek]

Re: AIDS-like illness in Mainland China

Thank you J.G. Sweden and welcome !

[Amish Country]

Re: AIDS-like illness in Mainland China

Welcome aboard J.G Sweden. Interesting find.

[J.G Sweden]

Re: AIDS-like illness in Mainland China

Thanks for welcoming me here!

I sure hope this is an false alarm. I think that the people who run that site will come with an update after a while, so that we can find out what is really happening.

[Gert van der Hoek]

Re: AIDS-like illness in Mainland China

Link to source:

http://2012info.ca/EarthWatch/?p=35492

This is not confirmed information, but it certainly bears watching.

Could be information via Boxun.

[sharon sanders]

Re: AIDS-like illness in Mainland China

Welcome J.G. Sweden!

[sharon sanders]

Re: AIDS-like illness in Mainland China

A rumour started to increase drug sales?

Nanjing, on behalf of doctors and medicine of HIV infected drug rumors point to the unspoken rules [left]2009年06月04日05:41 时代周报



More than a doctor of Chinese medicine on behalf of an affair with the woman and the myth of AIDS infection, resulting in the medical profession in the unspoken rules exist for a long time.

但人们又希望用这个流言去摧毁潜规则。

But people also want to destroy this rumor to the unspoken rules.

时代周报记者宋阳标发自南京

Times Weekly Standard reporter from Nanjing Yang Song

流言凶猛，“李佳”是谁

Vicious rumor, "Lee," Who

“江苏省人民医院好多医生得了艾滋病，然后他们又传染了好多护士。”5月的南京，这样一个令人惊恐的消息爆 炸式地在全城传播，并很快传遍全国。

"Jiangsu Provincial People's Hospital had a lot of AIDS doctors, and then they spread a lot of nurses." Nanjing in May, such an alarming news explosive spread in the whole city and soon spread all over the country.

许多网站转载了同样一个帖子：

Many sites are reproduced in the same post:

省人民医院惊爆四位主任医师同时感染艾滋病，据传是与同一名医药代表有染而感染上，医院潜规则瞬间毁掉省人 民医院四把主刀手。

Provincial People's Hospital senior vice president and chief physician at the same time four people living with HIV, it is said is representative of an affair with a Chinese medicine and the infection, the unspoken rules of the Hospital Provincial People's Hospital an instant to destroy the main刀手4.

业内一向有“省人民，女医药代表水淋淋”的传闻，而水淋淋眼下变成了血淋淋。

The industry has always been a "province of the people, on behalf of women water medicine淋淋" hearsay, and the water turned into a bloody淋淋at the moment.

接着，有人指出这个女医药代表叫“李佳”，5月12日，有一个网民在当地网站“极速社区”发布了所谓的女医 药代表的照片。

Then, it was pointed out that this woman on behalf of Chinese medicine called "Li", May 12, there is a local Internet site in "Need for Speed Community" issued on behalf of the so-called pictures of female medicine.

几天后，更有人称破译了“李佳”的QQ空间，将其中四幅照片公布出来。

A few days later, more-person to decipher the "Lee" the QQ space, will be one of four photographs published.

照片中的“李佳”，妖媚而性感。

Photos of the "Lee", seductive and sexy.

正是因为这些照片，使得上述的流言一夜之间传遍全城。

It is precisely because of these photos, makes the rumor spread throughout the city overnight.

但是并没有一个叫“李佳”的人出来对此表示承认或者反对，网民也不能提供确实的证据证明有过这 样一个人。

However, there is no one called the "Lee" expressed by the people to recognize or even opposed it, users can not provide evidence that indeed there was such a person.

而这位所谓的“医药代表李佳”，网民开始称其为中美合资上海施贵宝制药有限公司员工，后又有人指称其为无锡 纽迪希亚制药有限公司员工。

And the so-called "medicine on behalf of Lee," China and the United States Internet users to start a joint venture called Shanghai Squibb Pharmaceutical Co., Ltd. staff, after allegations that its employees Wuxi Pharmaceutical Co., Ltd. Nutricia.

施贵宝南京办事处的一位女士在接受时代周报记者采访时强调，他们公司从来没有一个叫“李佳”的职工，如果是 在南京办事处的，她不可能不知道有这样一个员工，至于上海总部有没有，她表示，没听说过。

Nanjing Office Squibb in an era of a woman Weekly reporters, stressed that their company has never been a man named "Lee" of workers, in the case of offices in Nanjing, she could not have been unaware of such an employee for Shanghai headquarters there, she said, heard.

之前，施贵宝发布过声明称，该公司没有叫“李佳”的员工。

Before Squibb issued a statement saying that the company has not called the "Lee" of employees.

流言的另外一个当事人，无锡纽迪希亚制药有限公司在接受时代周报记者采访时承认，确实有一个叫李佳的员工， 但是她身体健康，根本没有感染过艾滋病。

Another rumor parties Nutricia Pharmaceutical Co., Ltd. Wuxi times weekly in an interview with reporters acknowledged that there has been a staff called Lee, but her health is not infected with AIDS.

其负责媒体关系的负责人胡维明专门给时代周报记者发来邮件，将一份该公司的声明同时发来。

Responsible person in charge of media relations expertise to the era of Hu Wei-ming's weekly e-mail sent to a statement the company sent at the same time.

邮件中称：

E-mail said:

我公司确有员工名李佳。

I do have employees of the company Lee.

自加入本公司以来，李佳一贯遵守公司的各项规章制度及相关的国家法律法规和社会公德。

Since joining the Company, the Lee Company has always complied with the rules and regulations and related state laws and regulations and social morality.

李佳本人身体状况一直良好，根本没有所谓“感染艾滋病”的情况。

Lee has been my good physical condition, there is no so-called "AIDS" situation.

而且，李佳既非出生于1982年，此前也无施贵宝公司工作经历。

Moreover, neither Lee was born in 1982, after Bristol-Myers Squibb Company and no work experience.

相关帖子所指的内容纯属恶意诽谤。

Related to the meaning of the contents of posts are purely malicious defamation.

江苏省人民医院立刻处于舆论台风的中心，小张，是江苏省人民医院的一名普通医生，虽然他不是网络传言的外科 医生，但是还是有很多人打电话过来询问有关情况。

Jiangsu Provincial People's Hospital immediately the center of the typhoon in the media, Zhang, Jiangsu Provincial People's Hospital, a general practitioner, although he is not a network surgeon rumors, but there are still many people called up to ask about the situation.

在咖啡馆的一个角落里，小张苦笑着说：你不知道，来打听的人，什么目的都有。

Coffee shop in a corner, said Zhang smile: You do not know to ask people what the purpose of all.

你越是说不知道，他们越认为我们是在隐瞒，真不知道这世界怎么成了这样。

The more you did not know, the more they will think that we was trying to conceal, I really do not know how this world has become so.

我现在一出门，就跟做贼似的，好像我得了艾滋病！

Now I go out, just like thief, as if I've got AIDS!

事实模糊，真相莫测

Fuzzy facts, the truth of the unpredictable

在留言迅猛传播的5月12日之后两天，江苏省人民医院以声明的方式对传言作了回应：

The rapid dissemination of the message of May 12, two days after, Jiangsu Provincial People's Hospital by declaration made in response to the rumors:

近日，西祠胡同等网站盛传江苏省人民医院数名医生染患艾滋病的消息……经查，网络上流传的关于我院数名医生 染患艾滋病的消息纯属捏造……近年来，我院工作量逐年攀升，每天门急诊量上万人次，手术上百台，迄今没有出 现一例在我院感染艾滋病的患者和医务人员。

Recently, rumors西祠胡同site, such as People's Hospital of Jiangsu Province, the number of AIDS doctors染患news ... ... According to investigation, the network passed on the number of doctors in our hospital news染患AIDS pure fabrication ... ... In recent years, our hospital workload increased year by year, the daily volume on the door million emergency surgery more than a hundred units, so far no case of HIV infection in our hospital patients and medical personnel.

江苏省人民医院宣传室主任张群女士在接受时代周报记者采访时表示，医院所有的说法都是以网上的声明为准，她 本人不能提供更多的消息。

Jiangsu Provincial People's Hospital, Miss Zhang Qun, director of publicity in an era of weekly interview with reporters, said that all hospitals are in-line statement in which she herself can not provide more information.

这个流言为什么会出现？

Why is there this rumor?

时代周报记者在南京的数日调查内，听到了这个事件很多种版本，其中有一个来自于医院内部的一位部门主任的说 法是，一位在医院就诊时持假医保卡的患者被医生训斥后为泄愤在网上造谣，而此人现以被公安抓获 。

Weekly Times reporter a few days in Nanjing survey have heard many versions of this incident, one of which came from a hospital director to say that when they seek medical treatment in the hospital a false health insurance cards by doctors in patients with reprimanded after the anger-venting online rumors, and this person is now captured by the public security.

江苏省人民医院的小张医生透露了一个信息，在一年前，省人民医院确实有一位W医生在检查身体时发现HIV的 一个指标呈微弱阳性，但是此人早已离开医院。

People's Hospital of Jiangsu Province Zhang doctors revealed a message, a year ago, the Provincial People's Hospital Dr W does have a medical check-ups found in an indicator of HIV-positive were weak, but this person has already left the hospital.

至于网上盛传的那位外科医生，在传闻的这些天里仍在门诊工作。

As for Internet rumors of a surgeon who, in these days of rumors are still out-patient work.

他认为，这可以从侧面印证，这位医生是没问题的，不可能有医院会让一个得了艾滋病的医生继续执 刀的。

In his view, this can be confirmed from the side, the doctors are not the problem, can not let a hospital doctor had AIDS to continue the执刀.

小张也承认，最近确实做了体检，但是并不是外界盛传的在中国科学院皮肤病医院(研究所)里进行的，而是医院 内部做的检测。

Chang also admitted that recently has really done a physical examination, but is not widely known outside of the Chinese Academy of Dermatology Hospital (Institute) carried out, but hospital tests do.

江苏省人民医院院长王虹女士在接受时代周报记者采访时，承认医院确实出现过一个医生是艾滋病毒携带者，但是 那个人早已离开医院，而且他只是检测阳性，和艾滋病人还是有区别的。

Jiangsu Provincial People's Hospital, Miss Wang Hong times weekly in an interview with reporters, acknowledged there has been a hospital doctor is HIV-positive, but that person has already left the hospital, but he was just testing positive, and AIDS or differentiated .

“这个事情和医院没有直接关系，不是在医院的交叉感染，医院是很安全的，这么大的医院要是不安全，还得了吗 ？我们现在还是门庭若市，一床难求，不是哪一个人造谣就能造得了的。”王虹说。

"


This matter is not directly related to hospital, rather than cross-infection in the hospital, the hospital is very safe, if the hospital so much insecurity, but also it? We are still packed, a hard to find, not a question of which lie on the individual had to made of. "Wang said.

而日前有媒体报道，所谓在西祠胡同发帖者已被警方拘留的说法也不准确。

A few days ago the media reported that the so-called post西祠胡同have been detained by the police is not accurate.

南京警方有关人士在接受时代周报记者采访时表示：我们只是找他咨询了一些情况，并没有拘留他。

Nanjing police times weekly in an interview with reporters, said: We just asked him some advice and he is not detained.

有传闻，某个医药代表“李佳”，已经在该流言出现后报警，但是该消息目前无法确证。

There are rumors that a Chinese medicine on behalf of the "Lee", has been in the alarm after rumor, but can not confirm the news.

而据时代周报记者调查，在南京某三甲医院内部的一次招标会上，该医院的一位负责人称南京有一家医院有2名艾 滋病毒携带者，他们医院有1名。

Times weekly, according to a press survey, the top three hospitals in Nanjing within a tender at the time, the hospital official said there is a hospital in Nanjing, there are two people living with HIV, they have a hospital.

但是这些消息无法从官方渠道得到证实。

However, these messages can not be confirmed from official sources.

小张医生说，实际上，老百姓在流传这个事情的时候，大多数并不是真的对桃色事件和艾滋病感兴趣，他们是醉翁 之意不在酒。

The doctor said Zhang, in fact, people in the spread of this matter, the majority are not really interested in peach and AIDS cases, they are motives.

小张医生认为，很多人在说这个故事的时候，其实往往是因为痛恨医生和医疗界，所以不断地给这个故事添枝加叶 ，使得传言中的被感染人数不断升高，而桃色事件仅仅是大家用来开头的一个噱头而已。

Zhang doctors think that a lot of people talking about this story when, in fact, hate is often because the doctor and the medical profession, so the story continued to increase添枝leaves, made by rumors in the rising number of infections, while the peach is only with the incident to begin no more than a gimmick.

http://news.ifeng.com/society/5/200906/0604_2579_1187406.shtml

[J.G Sweden]

Re: AIDS-like illness in Mainland China - Rumour?

Thanks for the welcome, Florida1.

This sure feels lika a rumour that has been blown out of proportion.

The only piece of information I managed to find was this video:

http://english.ntdtv.com/ntdtv_en/ns_china/2009-06-03/408526048776.html

It is the same as the previous report, except it is read out loud by a reporter.
I don?t know anyting about the credibility of that site, New Tang Dynasty Television.

[alert]

Re: AIDS-like illness in Mainland China - Rumour?

The source on #7 doesn't seem to have any relation to this story - it seems to be about a few patients who may or may not have caught the actual HIV virus.

The source seems fairly legitimate, but it may be based on a bad report. There is little specific geographical information, and if Mr. Lin caught the disease last year and is still alive, it doesn't seem like an acute disease.

As far as sweat and saliva, those are bodily fluids. This article isn't saying the disease is airborne or anything like that. The disease could simply be HIV, and the test that was run on Mr. Lin could be a false negative.

This one is certainly worth watching, but the story so far seems vague.

Update: I just hunted around that site, and they do seem to have a bias against the Chinese government. Maybe they want to embarrass the Chinese government. I believe today is the anniversary of Tiannamen Square.

[alert]

Re: AIDS-like illness in Mainland China - Rumour?

One other bizarre point - this source (www.ntdtv.com) is located in NEW YORK CITY, not China. The other posting via RSOE EDIS is word-for-word identical to that source, so presumably is just quoting that source. Due to posting times, I am 100% sure the NTD source is the original source. The RSOE claim of possibly 600 infected is an error and not in the original source. RSOE frequently has made such errors in the past. The numbers 200 and 400 appear in the article as test results (blood cell counts - but the source calls them "antibodies"?) and that seems to be where that number is derived from.

Several blogs have picked up this story, but everyone is just quoting the same original source, which does seem to have some bizarre errors in it.

[sharon sanders]

Re: AIDS-like illness in Mainland China - Rumour?

The source on #7 doesn't seem to have any relation to this story - it seems to be about a few patients who may or may not have caught the actual HIV virus.

The source seems fairly legitimate, but it may be based on a bad report. There is little specific geographical information, and if Mr. Lin caught the disease last year and is still alive, it doesn't seem like an acute disease.

As far as sweat and saliva, those are bodily fluids. This article isn't saying the disease is airborne or anything like that. The disease could simply be HIV, and the test that was run on Mr. Lin could be a false negative.

This one is certainly worth watching, but the story so far seems vague.

Update: I just hunted around that site, and they do seem to have a bias against the Chinese government. Maybe they want to embarrass the Chinese government. I believe today is the anniversary of Tiannamen Square.

Rumours start small.

[alert]

Re: AIDS-like illness in Mainland China - Rumour?

Rumours start small.

Possibly, but the article you posted from China was written at 5am today China time, and the NYC article was at 12:30pm yesterday, so it was actually written first, even accounting for time zones.

Granted, the events inspiring both articles occurred earlier (the NTD in NYC article mentions someone who claims they have been ill for over a year), but they seem independent.

The NYC article could be a misunderstanding, or even an outright forgery.

[sharon sanders]

Re: AIDS-like illness in Mainland China - Rumour?

Nothing is clear at this point.

[alert]

Re: AIDS-like illness in Mainland China - Rumour?

http://english.ntdtv.com/ntdtv_en/ns_china/index.html

This is that site's portal for main China news. Other than the story that started this thread, look at all their other news. It has to deal with dissidents, persecution, and things like that. It has an accusation against the Chinese government of murdering a dissident. Hardly an impartial source.

No other health stories (say on H1N1, or bf, or even common illnesses like malaria and dengue), no current China events, just dissidents.

I smell an outright lie.

[NawtyBits]

Re: AIDS-like illness in Mainland China - Rumour?

I am one of the Chinese newshounds over at PFI and after seeing this story, I searched my sites, which number over 30 Chinese language news sites, including Boxun, and there is NOTHING about this story anywhere.

Take that for what it's worth.